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		<description><![CDATA[CHARLIE Hey carlton charlie carletonsheets Hello Mike and everyone! Mike_Summey Hi Charlie &#38; Carleton Mike_Summey Hi Grumpy Grumpy Hi Mike! Mike_Summey I wasn&#8217;t expecting you tonight Carleton, but thanks for joining us. Mike_Summey What&#8217;s up with you charlie? Mike_Summey Hi Joshua &#38; jneun carletonsheets Glad to be here, at least for a while. Joshua Hey [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hey carlton charlie<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello Mike and everyone!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Charlie &amp; Carleton<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Grumpy<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Hi Mike!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I wasn&#8217;t expecting you tonight Carleton, but thanks for joining us.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>What&#8217;s up with you charlie?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Joshua &amp; jneun<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Glad to be here, at least for a while.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Hey Mike<br />
<strong>jneun </strong>Good evening all<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Just working on projects<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Where are you Charlie?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, are you the charlie from Anderson?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Anderson sc carlton<span id="more-718"></span><br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi djpeterson<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>A great market (it&#8217;s Carleton by the way)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, just wanted to be sure.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Hi, Mike and all.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie is my right hand man in SC.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>started on the house today mike<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello DJ<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, good! I saw the pictures. Looks like a little wood to replace.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Charlie, do you handle make-readies for Mike as well?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello Roger!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>There&#8230;&#8230;.sss Roger Dawson<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Hi Everyone: from Sunny California<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>it has already been addresses mike<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>welcome roger charlie<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Hi Carleton: What a nice surprise!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>anybody got any burning questions tonight?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi mary<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello mary<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi espringer<br />
<strong>Mary </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>&#8230;and hello Espringer<br />
<strong>espringer </strong>hi<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>What are some typical things we might overlook in an inspection &#8211; things we should not?<br />
<strong>espringer </strong>Hi all<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi mbroadway<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello Mbroadway<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Carlton how is your finger doing, better i hope<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Good evening Mike Hello Carleton!!!<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Charlie, a little better. How did you know?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>I was talking with mike after it happened<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>It&#8217;s big news here on the left coast too!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, many little things get missed, things like doorstops, blinds, smoke detectors, cabinets that the doors won&#8217;t open &amp; close propertly, doors that the hardware is broken, etc. If you will print the inspection sheet on this website and use it, it will help you find these things. I use it on every inspection.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>LOL<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>It sure pays to get a good inspector. Be sure to ask around to get recommendations.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>I will print it and use it.<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m a newbie and have only read your FAQ book. Are you a fan of rehabbing? It seems to be popular in the Boston area now (my backyard).<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Carleton only got in the chat tonight so he could wait until we had a big crowd and then tell everyone I mashed his finger!!! <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>espringer </strong>Boston here as well<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I&#8217;ll not say a word&#8230;.a word!<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello Kim<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, thoughts on 15 vs 30 yr am? I know you only do 15, but the bank I will be using for my current deal is same interest rate at any am (15, 30, or anywhere in between). Pay off earlier or better cash flow? Thoughts?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>hi all<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Grumpy, the FAQ book is a companion book to the Weekend Millionaire Secrets to Investing in Real Estate. It answers questions people raised after reading the Real Estate book. Be sure to get the first book.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi kim\<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Will do Mike!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Grumpy, I do a lot of rehabbing, but not to sell. I buy the properties, fix them up and then keep them.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Grumpy: We&#8217;re not a fan of re-happing to resell at a profit. But if you&#8217;ve got a run down property that with some fix up money spent on it would make a good rental, we&#8217;re cheer you on.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>I have the Offer Generator and am using it and find it quite helpful. If I am paying cash and then planning on getting financing, which is the best selection to use on the Generator. If I choose all cash or financing, the offer amount differs. Thoughts?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Joshua, my thoughts are to pay off as quickly as possible. but if you&#8217;re young maybe the extra cash would be helpful.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello Ted<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Ok, thanks Mike and Roger on the rehabbing question.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I use 15 yr financing because I like to get the properties paid off as quickly as possible.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Ted<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Hi Mike, Hi Carlton<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, I use the cash option and then adjust the rate of return to produce offers I am comfortable making.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi slumlord.<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Hello Mike<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>The amount of interest you save by paying off in 15 rather than 30 years, is enormous but it doesn&#8217;t add much to your payments.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Regarding rehab, even tho I have a lot of experience I like to make an estimate and then add 30-50%. Maybe I over &#8220;rehab&#8221;.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Carleton: my rule is that everything will cost twice what you hoped and take twice as long!<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Thanks Carleton on the rehab question.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>On the 15 yr financing with 5 yr balloon, do you ever get caught at the end of 5 yrs? Some banks won&#8217;t refinance. Then what?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>That&#8217;s good to know Mike about the cash option. I tend to do the same thing on calculations. It has already saved me from making a mistake. As you&#8217;ve said, there are TONS of good deals out there<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Amen, Roger!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Carleton, Mike, Roger: In my early 30&#8242;s. I thought they would give me a lower rate at 15 yr am, but couldn&#8217;t get them to budge, so I&#8217;m tempted to maximize cash flow with 30 yr am? I don&#8217;t know&#8230;<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, so far I have never failed to get refinancing at the end of the first 5 years.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi reedd<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>I guess that&#8217;s why you haven&#8217;t sold any! Great job.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Joshua, banks are like peoplesnoses when it come to policy&#8230;they all have one and for the most part they are different. Check with more than one bank.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>If any of you want to know how I do business, ask Charlie. I&#8217;ve bought about 25 properties from him in the last year plus.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rehab has alot of unseen work till you get into it and open it up. That is why you have to add for rehab. Doing one now that that is the case<br />
<strong>kim </strong>I have several properties I would like to make offers on but having trouble entering my info into offer generator. Can even get property address in without backing up several times. Anyone else had this problem?<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>When bidding on the REO properties, under what circumstance would you up your offer when the bank asks for highest and best? Or do you always go in with your highest?<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>When will the Offer Generator be going on sale again?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Good suggestion Carleton! I tell people that banks are businesses just like any other and they have their ups and downs too. Don&#8217;t get tied up with just one bank because you have to ride thier wave if you do and it may not be going in the direction you want to go. I currently use 10 banks.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Carleton: you&#8217;re known for teaching people how to do no money down deals. With low prices, low interest rates and increasing rents that seems very realistic these days.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>kim, I&#8217;ve never seen that problem. What operating system are you using?<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Charlie, thanks for the rehab thought.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>windows 7 and vista. Have same problem on desktop and laptop<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>My own experience regarding REO&#8217;s is to go in low but set a maximum price you are willing to pay if the bank counteroffers. I&#8217;ve bought severl under the banks asking price.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Djpeterson, we have found here in s c go in with highest and best is the best thing. Just keep watching the property. We just closed on one that we made or first offer on 5 months ago.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Carleton, Mike, good advice, but believe me I have personally contacted 20-25 banks and these guys are my only option (bought cash, refinance). In a market where RE is so depressed that banks don&#8217;t want to touch it.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Carlton, do you do wraps for no money down financing? Had any issues with them?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>reedd, the Offer Generator has never been on sale other than when combined with the Audio program. The OG is $69.95 alone (which is a steal for what it does) or you save $20 if you buy it with the audio program. ($149.95 instead of $169.95)<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Kim, I don&#8217;t usually use wraps. Have not had to.<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Thanks Mike. It was the $69.95 price that I remembered. Donald.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>That certainly is an option tho.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>How would you recommend starting relationships with local banks? Do you go from bank to bank with a deal or do you start developing the relationship without a deal? Have you used any credit unions?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>What strategy do you recommend for no money down? Owner financing?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>kim, we&#8217;re looking into Windows 7, but haven&#8217;t had any problems with Vista. The program is Java based so it should run on all systems.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>djpeterson, definitely start building a relationship before the deal. Miek suggests starting early because I attest that it takes a LONG TIME to build credibility with these guys<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Make three contacts. the first personal. The second over the telephone asking (as an excuse for the call) the answer to a question you may already know. The third in person.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>reedd, the OG is available for $69.95 in our online store all the time.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Dennis<br />
<strong>Dennis </strong>hello Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, I try to always keep at least 6months of my total obligation to a bank on deposit with them. I will often buy for cash (and get a super deal) then after the property is rehabbed, if needed, and rented I will get the financing. I can usually get $5-10K more than what I have in the property when I refinance so I just deposit these excess funds with the bank in a MM account and leave them there.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, do you use your realtor to oversee your rehabs or your mgmt co?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Where are you located Kim?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>asheville,nc<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I&#8217;ve heard of Asheville. (I&#8217;m in my summer home in Brevard)<br />
<strong>kim </strong>also working Johnson City Tn area<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, Charlie is my buyer&#8217;s agent in SC and he has a rehab company that does my work as well. Ask him how I work.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Mike, that answers several questions at once. I was wondering how much you pull out and where your initial reserves come from. So I assume you work the extra funds into the OG.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>found a property up in Brevard I&#8217;m considering making an offer on<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>There are tons of good bys in the area but from what I see they are in SC and Tenn.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, you&#8217;re pretty sharp!! <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Good for you. I haven&#8217;t seen one here altho I have not been spending a lot of time looking.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>I&#8217;m also a real estate agent/broker if anyone is looking in the area and needs comps etc<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger, have you gone to sleep?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Mike, it&#8217;s cocktail time in California!<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Charlie, so do you sub out the work for Mike and act as a General contractor too or do you have your own crew? Just curious<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>No, I&#8217;m still here Mike. Taking some incoming calls.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Carleton and I have been friends for many years. He&#8217;s one of the few real estate gurus that actually does what he teaches. He&#8217;s a good guy too&#8230;most of the time!!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, missed chat last month but read the transcript. You mentioned you worked 20 yrs and didn&#8217;t retire until you had a monthly 6-figure income from RE. Are you referring to cash flow (taking out vacancy factor, maintenance, mgmt, etc) or were you referring to gross rental income? Just trying to see how the expert did it!<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Some neighborhoods are good rental neighborhoods and some are headed downward into too much crime and won&#8217;t be good rental neighborhoods for the long-term. What are some tips for telling the difference? I know it&#8217;s not easy, but what are some things you look out for?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I was talking about cash flow I could take out after all expenses.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Mbroadway i have a partner that is a general contractor and i am hands on most of the time, dont mind getting in there with the guys to get it done.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>anyone in Asheville area available for offer generator lesson since I guess it&#8217;s operator error<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Thanks Charlie!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, wow, excellent. Must have been a couple hundred properties by then for that to happen<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, ask yourself if you can influence the neighborhood if you buy in it. I have two areas where I have single handedly turned things around. I one, I bought several houses and brought them up to a condition better than the homeowners. Whe I did this the homeowners started bringing thier up. In the other area, I bought two city blocks, kicked everyone out and started over.<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>I am in Ontario, Canada and the government a couple months back raised the minimum acceptable downpayment for rental properties to 30%. Has anyone else commented on how to get around this?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, it&#8217;s amazing what you can do if you just keep at it and keep adding one property after another.<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Hey Mike, are you on LinkedIn, and accepting connections?<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>I hope that ombama doesn&#8217;t hear about that!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Grumpy, no I&#8217;m not. Sorry!<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Have you ever networked with a group of investors and taken over a block?<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>No worries!<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Obama: sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to dis the pres!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, I&#8217;ve never had an investor or a partner. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t own as much as Carleton and Donald Trump.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I think it is vacation time. We only have about half as many people as last month.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, up to 9 SFH and 1 4-plex now and closing another SFH next week!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, when will you be able to finish the house you&#8217;re working on now?<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>How do you handle flooring? How do you avoid replacing carpet with each tenant? I have started using more and more laminate, but I am open to suggestions.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, that&#8217;s great. You&#8217;re well on your way to wealth.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Reedd, sounds like you situation is perfect for a syndication where you bring partners in for the down payment, I know Mike does not like partners (at least male ones) but it may be an answer to the proble. 30%&#8230;Whew<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Some time next week if weather holds out<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Joshua: that&#8217;s a good mix. 4 flex for cash flow and sfh for liquidity and appreciation.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Mike, i think carleton just got his finger back into action with that comment!<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>LOL, Roger<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Hello GP<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger, he&#8217;s doing quite well with three fingers and a thumb.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Thanks Mike and Roger, wouldn&#8217;t been able to do it without your mentoring<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi gp<br />
<strong>gp </strong>better late than&#8230;<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Mike carlton got your number<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Thanks Carleton. I had not thought of that. Donald <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>What are some helpful books you have read lately: business, investing, economics, life, etc.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Reedd, entire course on partnerships is on my website carletonsheets.com<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Carleton likes partners, I don&#8217;t, but we&#8217;re still friends!<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>at no charge!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Genes<br />
<strong>GeneS. </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>kim </strong>any suggestions on structuring a syndicate. I can find properties but need down payments<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Carleton, I almost called you to see if you wanted to join us tonight. I guess we were on the wame wavelength. Thanks for getting in with us. I know everyone appreciates it anytime you can join in.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, what&#8217;s your ROI % requirement on the repairs and closing costs when you reduce your NOI when making an offer? Are you in the 12-15% range at this point in your investing career?<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Do you every buy 2 bedroom homes?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Kim, you saw my response ot Reedd. This is how I got started (I hate to say it) 40 years ago.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi John IL<br />
<strong>John IL </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>ever<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>But Kim, except for my finger, I don&#8217;t look a day over 45.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>DJ: ON THE SUBJECT OF BOOKS I&#8217;D LIKE A PLUG A GREAT WEBSITE. www.AbeBooks.com is an amagamation of thousands of used book sellers around the country. You can find almost any book you&#8217;d think of for $2 or $3 dollars plus $3 postage. Don&#8217;t tell my publishers that I&#8217;m pushing used books but it&#8217;s a great resource.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I look for the same ROI on repairs and closing costs that I look for on the purchase. It&#8217;s all cash any way you look at it. The rate varies depending on the current conditions and what I feel interest rates are going to do.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>me either. trying to forget my birthday next week<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Thank you again Carleton. I will try your website tomorrow. Donald.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Djpeterson it is hard to rent two bed rooms in some areas but good in others, that would be a question for a local realtor or property manger<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I&#8217;m August too. How old young Kim?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>53 next week<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>You are yourng!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, understodd, but can you share a little more detail? In your opinion, what is a fair ROI?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>good thing since I&#8217;m just starting<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, that&#8217;s something that is different for different people. Some ar ehappy with 7-8% now that prime is at 3.25%, but others are still looking for 12-15%. The one happy with 7-8% will find more deals that will work that the one wanting 12-15%, but the latter will make more money when he does find one.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>Joshua, you didn&#8217;t ask me but here&#8217;s what I go by. If the property will rent for &#8220;x&#8221;, then anything I put into the property over and above what I paid for it and what it will bring, I need to get a 20-25% return on my rehab dollars,<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Mike, you mentioned interest rates. As a follow up to an earlier question, what if interest rates shoot up and you have to refi at a much higher rate? How do you account for that risk at the front end? Everyone may be wrong, but everyone is calling for higher rates down the road.<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Has anyone looked into adding solar power to their rental units? I have a duplex with a flat roof and am looking into it. The company I spoke to, said I would have my full investment back in 8 years. If I did it, wWould tenants care? Should I offer them a discount on the Electricity Generated?<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I&#8217;m rehabbing one now that I know, left in the original conditon, will bring a base rent of $550 per month. Fixed up by an expenditure of $8000, I can get an additional $200 a month rent or $7200 over three years.<br />
<strong>John IL </strong>Pardon me for butting in, but wouldn&#8217;t the return you accept be based on what you can get on other investments at the time? In other words, it&#8217;s hard to find anything paying right now, so a more modest return can be accepted in your RE investment. I&#8217;d be happy with 7 or 8 percent for ANYTHING right now. Correct?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, I get fixed payment, floating rate loans. The payment stays the same for 5 years but the breakdown of principal and interest changes as the rates fluxuate. I set the initial payment based on a 15 yr amortization at a rate 1-1.5% above the initial rate on the loan. Currently I can get financing at prime with a 4-5% floor and a 7.55 ceiling. In that case, I set the payment based on about a 5.5% rate. I hope that helps.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, have you got into apts? If so, what kind and type? Opinions?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>reedd, don&#8217;t the tenants pay the electricity?<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Hi Mike: Yes the tennants pay their own electricity; but not the water.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Yes, that is helpful.<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>I don&#8217;t trust solar power yet. I see those things hanging off roofs everywhere.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>John, good point. That&#8217;s what I was talking about, but I didn&#8217;t want to discourage anyone who thought they could get 12-15%. Personally, I&#8217;m happy with 7-8% right now.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi David<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I have many apartment buildings. Mostly 4-20 unit buildings.<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>I was thinking the Solar would be a profit generator, pardon the pun, because after its installation is paid for, the sale of electricity back to Ontario Hydro would be significant, and every month.<br />
<strong>David </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>gp </strong>technically what would that loan be called mike, a 5 year ARM with 15 year amoratization? Just want to know what the banks would refer to it as.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>reedd, I don&#8217;t know of anyone who had made money from solar panels on their roof.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>On the issue of ROI, if you use some of the creative approaches that Carleton, Mike, Roger and others have written about, you might end up with an infinite ROI.<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Are there any property locations/placements you won&#8217;t buy: down a hill, up a hill, end of road, busy road, far into the neighborhood, etc.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, how do you handle mgmt on those? Can you still find professional mgmt for 8-10%<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Reed, do you really have sunshne in Ontario?<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>HI Roger:<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I look at the crime rate in the area.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>gp, the type financing I use is something I developed and sold to the banks about 25 years ago. I call it a fixed payment, floating rate loan. The payment stays the same, but the amount allocated to principal and interest varies. The fixed payment allows me to be able to paln my cashflow because I know hat the payment will be.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>I&#8217;m still getting management of 8-9%<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>, we do; mind you not all day. Donald<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>DJ: we wrote about that in our book. You have to feel comfortable walking the neighborhood during the day.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, yes I can still get good management in the 8-10% range.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Have any of you ever bought non-performing notes where you then foreclose on the apt complex and then keep it yourself?<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>What is your current average time a unit is empty?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, I try to do my homework on a neighborhood before buying in it. Occasionally I buy in an area I wish I hadn&#8217;t, but not often. I rely on my property managers to tell me where to invest and where not to.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, no I haven&#8217;t! I&#8217;d rather play Russian Roulette.<br />
<strong>carletonsheets </strong>The hour has gone so quickly. I hope everyone has benefited. I have. Thanks Mike and Roger, for including me. Best to everyone!!<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Thanks for joining us Carleton!<br />
<strong>ROGER DAWSON </strong>Good night everyone!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>djpeterson, that varies from area to area. Where I invest vacancies range from 5-10%.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>this is the fastest hour of the day<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joshua, not sure if the laws are different in your state, but in NYS buying a non-performing note does not guarantee you can get the property at the auction. You would still need to be the highest bidder and if it&#8217;s a good deal then you can bet someone else will be there bidding.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Bankers,property mangers,realtors,contractors is just as important as the purchase of the house, you have to build a team<br />
<strong>djpeterson </strong>Thanks to all! This was my first month but not my last!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Thanks for joining us Carleton. Talk to you tomorrow.<br />
<strong>Dennis </strong>good night<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Wow, an hour has really flown by.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Hope everyone has a great month!!!<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>good night to all<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>I know a guy that owns ~3000 units all done this way because he says you make more than just a straight purchase. He just bought a 97 unit complex for 800K with 5% occupancy that he will renovate and increase occupancy and rents. Had he not bought the note he would have paid a lot more<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight all. See you here next month.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>My youngest son is getting married over Labor Day weekend, so we will be moving the chat to September 13th. Mark your calendars.<br />
<strong>reedd </strong>Hi Mike &amp; Roger: I just wanted to say thank you for your writing WEM. It has made a real difference in my life. Donald.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joshua, i bought a non-performing note (at a discount) and the borrower cleared up the past due and has been paying ever since. I can&#8217;t really complain but I won&#8217;t likely get a chance to foreclose on it . . .<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Talk to you tomorrow mike good night all<br />
<strong>kim </strong>good night<br />
<strong>Grumpy </strong>Bye!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Ted, very interesting. What kind of property if you don&#8217;t mind me asking.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joshua, that was actually a high-end SFR and I could make a killing if I were able to foreclose. But fortunately I got the note at $0.42 on the dollar so I&#8217;m doing OK even with the monthly payments.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Good for you. How did you buy the note? Online auction or something?<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joshua, I run ads that say &#8220;I buy houses&#8221; and this guy who had seller financed the deal called me. He had a family problem and needed cash. I wish I could tell you I went looking for it, but sometimes things fall in your lap in this business.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Good for you. Agreed and best of luck to you</span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;">As election season approaches, I&#8217;m sure we will be mesmerized by all the promises candidates will be making. If they could do half of what they claim, we&#8217;d be taken care of from the cradle to the grave and never have to worry about taking personal responsibility for ourselves. Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m from an older generation, one that didn&#8217;t expect government to handle all my problems. In fact, I never wanted government to take care of anything for me. I considered it my responsibility to care for myself and my family.<span id="more-534"></span></span><span style="font-size: medium;">Before you start thinking that I must be the worlds only living heart donor, let me assure you I do have compassion for the less fortunate. I think they should have equal opportunities, but having equal opportunity doesn&#8217;t make them equal. As a young child, I learned that everyone&#8217;s circumstances are not equal, but opportunities are. I grew up in War, West Virginia, one of the most poverty stricken areas of the country. Even today over 80 percent of the people who live there are receiving some form of public assistance.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">When I was just 8 years old, my best friend&#8217;s parents bought him a new bicycle and he was the envy of the neighborhood. Naturally, I wanted one too. When I approached my mother about getting me a new bicycle, she explained that my friend&#8217;s parents had more money than we did. She said she couldn&#8217;t afford to buy me a bicycle. It was what she said after that that taught me a lesson that I&#8217;ve carried with me my entire life. She said, &#8220;If you really want a bicycle, you&#8217;ll find a way to get one.&#8221; She didn&#8217;t tell me to go ask anyone else for money; she challenged me to use my own resourcefulness to find a way to earn one.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">At that young age, my mother&#8217;s empowering words encouraged me to seek out numerous ways to earn money. I really wanted a new bicycle. Instead of sitting around and feeling sorry for myself and being jealous of my friend, I started looking for ways to earn money. It took months, but I kept at it until I figured out a way to get that new bike. In the process, I learned what my mother meant when she said if I wanted one badly enough I would find a way to get it. Today, she is over 90 years old, but her wisdom is still with me. I&#8217;ve often wondered what I would have learned if she had been financially able to go out and buy me a new bike so I could have one like my friend.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">When I reminisce about that story, I can&#8217;t help but wonder why more parents don&#8217;t teach their children these kinds of lessons today. Just look around. How many spend thousands of dollars to make sure their children have the latest gadgets, designer clothes and other trappings so they can &#8220;fit in.&#8221; They are often the same ones who save nothing to help with a college education. Without realizing it, they are teaching their children that things which come easy don&#8217;t have much value. Why don&#8217;t they teach them the value of ingenuity and hard work.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">During my early adult years, there were many times when I could have qualified to receive welfare payments, but pride wouldn&#8217;t let me. I would rather have gone hungry than admit I couldn&#8217;t take care of myself. I&#8217;ve had many days when I left home knowing that I needed to earn some money that day or I wouldn&#8217;t be able to put food on the table that night. That wasn&#8217;t easy, but it brought out the resourcefulness we humans possess when faced with problems; especially ones that threaten our survival. Those are the type experiences that build character and self reliance. They are also the kind of experiences that our elected officials seem to feel that we need to be &#8221;protected&#8221; from having.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Each month, in this space, I try to give readers tips for financial success. Sometimes the tips are easy to follow, but other weeks they may be like unpleasant but much needed medicine. This is one of the latter. As Newton&#8217;s third law is plainly stated, &#8220;To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.&#8221; I firmly believe that this law is also applicable to people&#8217;s ability to cope with life&#8217;s difficulties. Easy times produce soft people. Chinese philosopher Lau Tzo said, &#8220;Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">I believe that all the bailouts, handouts, and other promises will hurt us more than help us; especially knowing that they will have to be funded with borrowed money? Will they empower people or will they make them more dependent? Will bailouts and handouts teach people to take care of themselves or will they just create economic cripples? Will they encourage entrepreneurial thinking or destroy initiative?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">If you believe all the negative advertising you&#8217;ll see and hear in the coming election cycle, you wouldn&#8217;t want to vote for any of the candidates. However, if you listen carefully to what they are saying, you will be able to determine which ones are for bigger government and which want citizens to assume more personal responsibility. For years I have been writing about saving and investing. Although it may be fun and exciting to temporarily live on borrowed money, it is impossible to borrow your way to wealth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Here&#8217;s a tip! When you go to the polls this November, before casting your vote, ask yourself how the candidate you&#8217;re about to vote for will affect our future? Will your vote be one for instant gratification or one for long term economic prosperity? We became the greatest country the world has ever known through ingunity and hard work, not because of government subsidies. </span></p>
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		<title>Chat Transcript &#8211; July 5, 2010</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]I am ready!<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Hi. Anyone in?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Hello Kim!<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Hi Mike!<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Hi Mike!<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi everyone!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Looks like we have a few early birds.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Yes, a month is a long time<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We lucked out finding out about the chat tonight<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger may or may not be joining us. He is in China.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Rudolph<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Any questions early before we get crowded?<span id="more-707"></span><br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi guy! How&#8217;d you find out about the chat?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]What are the credit ratings banks usually look at&#8230;I might have to seller finance<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]minimum<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Web surfing!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, it all depends on the bank. For those in trouble with the Feds there may not be a number hih enough.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Federal?! wow, how does that happen<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Guy, be sure to register on the website and you will get email reminders about future chats.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]typical business practices involving corruption?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>too many bad loans<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]oic&#8230;how about reposessions?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]s<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We would like to know a little more about seller financing. Where is a good place to start?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, several banks are in trouble with the feds because of bad real estate loans and an overwhelming number of properties taken back in foreclosure actions. Until they get their portfolios in balance they won&#8217;t loan any money on real estate.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Sparkey<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Mike uninstalled and reinstalled OG no luck<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]oic&#8230;.so even the best investors are hitting a snag<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We have a couple properties we&#8217;re interested in and both owners are very willing to work with us.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Do you have the OG on a trial basis like you did a few years ago?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Guy, the best way I&#8217;ve found to get seller financing is to ask. Few sellers will volunteer to finance purchases, but if they have equity and are in a position to finance all or part of a purchase, you don&#8217;t know if they will finance until you ask. The way to ask is with a signed offer.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi rh<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Hello.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Is it possible to assume the loan?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>do you put the financing in your letter of intent?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, I spoke with Kim earlier today and she is having a problem with the Offer Generator I&#8217;ve never heard of. She is having a problem entering data. Has anyone else experienced this?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]yes<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Yes, I&#8217;ve been following the chats for a while and have noticed, naturally, that your deals and most involve all cash. I am not in that situation. I started investing several years ago, but I am still not able to do all cash deals although I have considerable equity in most of my properties. So I look great on paper in the net worth department but I am not as liquid as I&#8217;d like. What suggestions can you make towards offers as well as maintaining the portfolio and growing it?<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Do you offer more if the seller will finance?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, no the OG is no longer offered on a trial basis. It is only available on CD. The early version was only offered during the test period.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]as long as you drop the financing<br />
<strong>kim </strong>mike have you used wrap mortgages<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]lower<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Within reason, of course, if the ROI works.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, yes you can assume loans, but you now have to qualify for them.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Joel<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi eliseo<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Guy, I will offer more if the seller will finance at a very low or 0% interest.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Is there any difference in assuming one as opposed to just walking in and applying for a new one?<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>OK, good to know<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Hi everybody. This is my first time here. I enjoyed the tape lessons and I would really like to talk. Is that possible at some point?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Janevan<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>About time JV<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, can you get a line of credit and use your equity to secure it? If so you will be in a position to make cash offers and then finance the deals later.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Sam<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I was also wondering if this chat session will ever be at an earlier time? It&#8217;s 2 AM here in France.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, yes there is. If you qualify to assume a loan, you can save a lot of closing costs.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>If you are working with a FSBO, how can you still find comps in the area.<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>its been a while roger&#8230;last year I refinance my rental property and the mortgage officer sent me a letter last week stating the mortgage payment should be corrected to August 2009 instead of July.Can I void this contract and start over? I&#8217;d like to lower interest rate and change it from 20 year to 30 years because property taxes went upand excise taxes..creating a straightjacket on my cash flow?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, I understand your plight, however we have to keep the chat at a time that works for most of the people who participate. I know 2:00 Am is late in France, but we don&#8217;t have a lot of participation from that country.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Guy, what do you need with comps?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Reynolds<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Are 30 year mortgages out of the question? Wouldn&#8217;t they help with the finacing and qualify more payments under NOI?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]n<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I understand. how should I ask my questions? I don&#8217;t want to make it too difficult since there are so many already. Is there ever a time when we can talk one to one?<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>Sorry, my question is for Mike&#8230;hey Mike how can I turn off the WELCOME &#8230;?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Eliso, I can&#8217;t offer any suggestion on your problem without seeing the contract. Sorry!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Ted &amp; mbroadway<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, I was wondering what your current strategy is for acquiring properties in this market. Lenders are requiring 20% down and refuse to lend after you have four properties.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Just to get an idea with property values, to better gauge our offers. Should we still talk to a broker, or is there anything online that could help us?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Hello Mike and all!!! Happy 4th<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Hi Mike, nice to be here with you again.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, there is nothing wrong with 30 year financing, but most lending institutions want to stick with 15 yr for investment properties.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Elisio if you&#8217;re talking about the audio, look for the picture of the speaker at the bottom of the applet and click on it.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Eliso, the welcome??<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]you should gauge rental rates and then NOI from a property manager first&#8230;.the price has little bearing<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Mike, here&#8217;s a question I&#8217;ve been wanting to ask. Besides just not getting in the business or paying too much for real estate, what would you say is the 3 biggest mistakes we should avoid when getting into this type of investment/business<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]oic<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, I wish I could talk directly with everyone one-on-one, but I simply don&#8217;t have time to do that. Sorry!<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>I&#8217;ve been getting too many confusing opinions of when to and when not to use home equity line of credit&#8230;would you go over this please? My bank has a 4.00% HELOC til 2012&#8230;<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike,<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Impatience, Upscale properties and commingling accounts<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Im also trying to buy bank foreclosures but the banks are not willing to negotiate on price unless you have a cash offer. Any ideas?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Mike, do you have any seminars in France or southern CA? We will be in SD this summer starting next week.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Sam, so you have anyone that could invest with you?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Sam, the 20% down varies with each lender. If you can get a line of credit so you can buy for cash, you can usually finance based on appraisal once the properties are rented. If you bought right (Use the Offer Generator) you can usually get all you money back out of the property and then some a lot of times.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, do you encounter situations where the loan to appraisal value is higher than 80%? You would still have positive cash flow, but you wouldn&#8217;t be able to receive a full return on your cash.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]How many banks fight you on the lower offer purchase versus appraisal? Do you do a delayed purchase?<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike do you buy ONLY residential properties or do you also look at commercial?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Guy, if you use the Offer Generator to computer what you should pay, why do you care about what other properties are selling for. You should be buying based on what will work for you, not what others are paying.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Alan_Charleston, were you answering my question when you said impatience, commingling of funds and upscale properties?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]yes<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>mbroadway, Alan gavce a good answer to your question. The Weekend Millionaire Secrets to Investing in Real estate give 11 more reasons in the last chapter.<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Do you suggest applying for a line fo credit with my bank that I normally bank with? What type of rates can I expect?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Mike has it as 14 Biggest mistakes in his book<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Very good! Thank you both.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, I do very few seminars. I&#8217;m too busy buying properties to run around the country trying to earn a living selling books, tapes and boot camps.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>You have a point, Mike. I guess it&#8217;s trying to get in a different mindset. It&#8217;s our first one.<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Can you explain what you mean by getting &#8220;all your money out of the property and then some&#8221;?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Roger had to convince him of the book in the first place&#8230;negotiating!<br />
<strong>kim </strong>mike what % return on investment do you look for<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I never borrow more that 80% of the appraised value. Most of the time it is 60-75%. That&#8217;s because I buy the properties wholesale by using the Offer Generator to calculate the offers.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Sam, you may want to shop several banks. Currently, the smaller community banks seem to be more receptive to making loans tied to real estate.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, but offer generator will allow you to make offers that are cash flow positive, but still more than 80% of appraisal value. Do you take appraisal value into account for you offers or do you only consider cash flow?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Mike, iyo I know you invest in Western SC, but you have any wind of knowledge from experts on what will happen coastaly where I am at. I know there will be the baby boomer effect and things are starting to crowd. New interstate planning, etc<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Mike, Do you have an opinion on rental properties in San Diego and LA, CA? I have 5 rentals in the US (NY, TX and CA) and our French house where we live. I am looking for more rental properties starting next week in CA or elsewhere. I will be refinancing my NY house for a nice sum and would like to grow my RE portfolio. Do you have leads or tips?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Sam, if you buy right, you may get the property for 50-60% of the appraised value and them borrow 70-80% against the appraisal once you won the property and have it rented.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Sam, further to Mike&#8217;s point, I&#8217;m doing deals with local banks and the FHA limit on the number of deals is not an issue as long as the bank holds those loans in their portfolio rather than selling on the secondary market.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, maybe to ask my question another way, when you make a cash offer what is the minimum rate of return you try to get?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever computed an offer using the Offer Generator that was more than 80% of appraised value unless it involved seller financing at a very low or 0% interest.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]10% I would think<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>Mike&#8230;I am going to retire soon&#8230;would you rollover your 401K to a directed IRA and take all of it out to buy real estate instead of investing in mutual funds? Which would be better to tap&#8230;the IRA or HELOC to buy properties?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]depends on you i guess<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Do you have to have a property rented before the bank will refinance?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, CA is difficult. The central part of the country and the South seem to be better.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Jess<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>So, I should develop a relationship with a local bank and then ask for a line of credit. Is the line of credit based on my personal assests or the value of the property?<br />
<strong>Jess </strong>hi Mike and everyone<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Heya<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Thanks for the clarification Ted! It&#8217;s hard to keep up with everyone.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]where in ny joel?<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Mike, I don&#8217;t know how you do it <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>kim </strong>Mike what&#8217;s your minimum ROI on a property<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, the minimum rate of return is something that is personal with each investor. Some insist on 12-15% while other are comfortable with 5-8%.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike, There is an interesting property in my market that is getting ready to be sold at auction. It has been on the market for soon time and is bank-owned. Can you give me any feedback on what to expect? Are auctions a decent way to buy now?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Wow, this makes me dizzy. I wish we could slow it down or talk on the phone or Skype. But it&#8217;s interesting. Upstate NY, 40 minutes North of Manhattan.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, I don&#8217;t have any experience personally with the coastal area on either coast, but with that said, I have seen a lot of really good deals on either coast.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Charlie<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hi mike did you have a good trip you and the boys<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Okay, does SC have any peculiar laws {out of the ordinary} as compared to other states?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, who is conducting the auction? Is it a foreclosure auction or is the bank selling the property at auction?<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>I think the bank has hired a company to auction it. I will check.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Mike, do you recommed 10% of total portfolio value for reserves?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, Charlie is my buyers broker in SC. He has just joined us and can tell you a lot about how I work. Give him a few questions.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, the trip was fantastic! Thanks for asking!<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>What kind of deals do you have for us in SC?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Hey Charlie! Any suggestions on the market where I live?<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Charlie, how do you see the markets in NC / SC ?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, I&#8217;m not sure what you are asking.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, I try to keep at least 6 months of my total obligations to each bank on deposit with that bank.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Do you all have an opinion about The Real Estate Guys podcas radio show and the Jason Hartman podcast? Are these good sources of education or just marketing?<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Anybody with any experience in TN, Nashville and surrounding?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]States have different laws and I wondered if Sc had anything that was specialized to the state as opposed to the general real estate&#8230;.squatters rights..etc<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Sc has deals just like any other states. You have to look at propertiews and make offers based on the facts. The more offers you make the more deals you will get. It is a number game<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi bkwslumlord, when did you join us. I missed you coming in.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, last month you mentioned your attorney found a problem with the title on one of your properties. Do you always have an attorney review the preliminary title report? I have always been relying on the escrow company, title insurer, broker and my own review to bring up issues.<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>I was one of the early birds<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Yes, so you sense nothing different then.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Hey guys, how long does this chat last?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]He and I were here before you entered<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>I suggest that you always have a attorney review the chain of title to protect your interest<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>First time<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, some states use escrow companies, others use attorneys. In NC, SC &amp; AL where I invest, they all use attorneys. The escrow companies do much the same work in states where they handle closings. Just be sure you have an escrow company or attorney who represents you, not the seller.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Charlie I&#8217;m thinking of expanding to Greenville/Spartanburg Send me your info<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Okay there is one! Attorneys for Sc<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel the chat will last for another 25-30 min.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>bkwslumlord, sorry, I didn&#8217;t see you. Why have you been quiet for so long?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Kim my email is ccbrockjr@aol.com<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>What do you guys think about changing a mall and flipping it in Dallas?<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Or about flips in general right now, for that matter.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>thx Charlie<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike, on the auction question earlier: The house is being auctioned on Auction.com. I assume the starting bid is the amount the bank, Bank of America is owed.<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>I am new to this, have looked at real estate for years and found your books about 6 months ago. Not sure where to start other than getting my debts paid off and getting set to go. Any other suggestions?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Joel and guysmiley, I&#8217;d think if you could buy wholesale, like Mike suggests and hold, you&#8217;d make more money in the long run<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>with less risk<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel &amp; Guy, flipping is not investing, it is speculating and if you engage in it, sooner or later you will get burned.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]own your own home?<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>guysmiley, my 2 cents is that flipping is working for living . . you have to keep finding the next deal to put food on the table, but buying for long term keeps checks rolling in even when you&#8217;re not working<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, what is your advice to a new investor looking to acquire properties quickly? I just put my first rental property under contract and would like to purchase another before the end of the year. But with the 20% down required by most lenders for convetional financing, I&#8217;m not sure how to buy more with limited funds.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>ted, exactly right<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, some of the banks try to auction their foreclosures, but I don&#8217;t waste my time with them. I want to make an offer, get an answer and move on.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Yea, we&#8217;re looking to invest for sure. Just thought I&#8217;d throw it out there. We have our eye on a nice 4-plex right now.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>mbroadway <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Joel </strong>My main goal is to develope a real estate portfolio. I now have 5 rentals and plan to continue. At the same time I am doing a private loan to a developer and I have a small stake in a mall flip.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>I really like Mikes phylosophy of buying and holding.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Joel, where in ny?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>Sam, I&#8217;m in a similar boat and I&#8217;m using an investor on the short term<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Sam has a point. If we have some really good deals cropping up around us (and the midwest is full of them), pacing ourselves and getting the financing available is a big priority.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Sam, have you read our books? There are many ways to buy without having to put 20% down. The most important thing is to buy wholesale, which is usually well below the 80% threshold.<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joel, it&#8217;s not that I wouldn&#8217;t do a flip if the right deal popped up in front of me and it did not divert funds from something else, but I saw a lot of flippers get caught short during this recent market drop.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Home equity<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>I read all 4 of the books . . . I heartily recommend them and I&#8217;ve been in commercial real estate for nearly 30 years.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Good evening Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, patience is the name of the game. I&#8217;ve never seen anyone build wealth quickly without taking huge risks. I&#8217;d rather build wealths securely and solidly a little at a time over a number of years rather than risk everything I have by trying to get-rich-quick!<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>amen<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>My lender thinks he can find some good REOs in San Diego. Any other good strategies for finding wholesale properties? It&#8217;s challenging in that I live in France and only am in the US twice a year for a few weeks. That has not stopped me but it&#8217;s harder to get the best deals. My NY rental is 40 minutes North of NY City.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi hawkeye, didn&#8217;t see you come in.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike, can you offer a comment or two on the state of the real estate economy going forward. I feel we may be heading further down before coming out. Your take?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Mike how long did it take beore you were ABLE to quit your job {Passive income exceeds Expenses} as opposed to just deciding?<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Hello Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, are you in France permanently or just for a limited time.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Hi Roger<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Hi Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>There&#8217;s Roger Dawson, live and in person from the other side of the world.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]In other ords how long at your pace did you have to invest to get this? 7 years?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>HI ROGER<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]w<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Roger<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]f<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hello everyone. I&#8217;m joining you from Hong Kong where it is already Tuesday morning.<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Charlie, Is your phone ringing more often lately or are you calling to make appointments?<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Mike, actually, the way I found you was through an add or article in Flying magazine. I am a private pilot and read your story and started researching you through that mutual avenue.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We&#8217;re new to your books, etc. How would you best describe the term &#8220;wholesale&#8221;?<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Yay pilots!<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, yes I have read your books and believe in your philosophy of buy and hold. I agree with you that this is not a get rich quick strategy. I just would like to know other financing options. Lenders today are very strict and 20% down requirements hinders my ability to buy the number of properties I would like. HELOC is another option I&#8217;m considering against my primary residence.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]anything below NOI<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I live in France personally but if I can generate some substantial income streams we may move back to America. Can I find your books in stores in San Diego?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>yay pilots is right!!!<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Sparky37 i have built a list of clients that want certain things and i work more with them.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Sam, how about instead of HELOC, refinance. That is what I am doing.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>(Oshkosh!)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, I worked in the advertising field and invested on the weekends for 20 years before I took any money out of the real estate. I know that seems like a long time and I could have quit earlier, but I enjoyed what I was doing. Now that I don&#8217;t have to work any longer, I&#8217;m enjoying it even more. Just FYI, I let my investments grow until they were producing a six figure income MONTHLY before I quit working a regular job.<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>absolutely, been about 4 times<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>the books speak to the other forms of financing but two that I have used and done well with; 1) borrow from family and friends paying them more than they make in their CDs, and 2) HELOC.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Joel: It&#8217;s probably easier for you to buy our books through Amazon.com<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>Joel, the books will pay for themselves immediately (no, I don&#8217;t for for Mike or Roger)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>bkwslumlord, I&#8217;ve been flying since the mid 1970s. Currenty fly a Beech King Air<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Anyone had any issues with OG. I&#8217;m having trouble entering info<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>I saw that, I&#8217;m jealous<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, you can order everything on this website in our online store.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Roger, are either of you ever in France or southern CA.? I would love to meet and learn.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We may have to open a whole other pilot chat <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Grills<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>guysmiley, that&#8217;s a fact<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]At a 15 year mortagage and let&#8217;s estimate $250 passive per home {16 homes} that&#8217;s $K Passive&#8230;thats reasonable in about 1o years if i should decide not to work anymore<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]4<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I really enjoyed the WM tape lessons. I have read around 10 books this year and this is one of the few that really gives the nuts and bolts. That&#8217;s what I need as a new RE Investor.<br />
<strong>grillsjiujitsu@nexicom.net </strong>Hi Mike usually I am not lucky enough to catch the chat on Mondays but I am on holidays this week.<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, how do determine what areas of the country to invest in? Are there certain trends or statistics you look for?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]You know Robert Kiyosaki Mike?<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>I&#8217;m going to run. Great chat as usual!! Thank you TONS Mike and Roger too!!!! I very much appreciate you all giving up your time for us<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, I use 5 yr loans with a 15 yr amortization. When the loans come up for renewal, I pull part of them back up to the original loan amount and use the excess funds to pay off some of the others. Everytime I do this cash flow improves.<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>you guys are awesome<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi sundde<br />
<strong>mbroadway </strong>g&#8217;nite to all<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>sundeep<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Goodby mbroadway<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Nice point<br />
<strong>Sundeep </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>See you next month mbroadway<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, yes I know him.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Is there a way we can all meet individually and develope our conversations? This is great but it&#8217;s pretty fast for me. For those who are interested, my email is joel.lorello@orange.fr<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Mike, how does that improve cash flow by re-upping the loan?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Who was from Nashville?<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Me<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Okay, I got spooked by that report on Whitney Enterprises dealings<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Prices in Hong Kong make the US look like a real bargain. People pay over one million US dollars for a 1000 square foot condo.<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, please explain your 5/15 loan strategy<br />
<strong>Sundeep </strong>I have been hearing about double dip in RE. What do you guys think?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, I&#8217;m hearing talk of a Chinese real estate bubble. With those prices it doesn&#8217;t sound as surprising. There&#8217;s a lot of land in China.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]I know Joel! You missed my question to you twice <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':?' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, sorry, Hong Kong, not so much.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>guy, if you have 10 laons on which you are paying $1000 per month each and you refinance 7 of them and pay off 3, instead of paying out $10,000 per month, you are only paying out $7,000 and the other $3,000 becomes available cash flow. When you reup the loans to the original amount, the payments stays the same.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>OK, thanks!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Sundeep, don&#8217;t believe the figures you read for real estate nationally. They include Detroit, Miami and Las Vegas which have been disasters.<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>1<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>It&#8217;s a lot of info to absorb&#8230;<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>bkwslumlord, do you know DAve Ramsey?<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>LOVE Dave!<br />
<strong>kim </strong>mike would you buy in a really depressed market like Las Vegas now<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Love Dave Ramsey<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>FREEDOOMM<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>yes<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Lucky guy<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>We&#8217;re debt free because of his teachings<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>not personally, although I did take his course and am trying to get some debt under control<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I&#8217;m planning to fly over to Nashville and have lunch with Dave as soon as we can work it out.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Miami and Las Vegas are disasters because investors were doing exactly what we preach NOT to do. Which is buy real estate hoping that you can sell it at a profit a few months later. That&#8217;s speculating, not investing.<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Hmmm<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dave has some very good advice about debt.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike, Who is Dave Ramsey? Have him join us sometime.<br />
<strong>kim </strong>will be in las vegas later this month, thinking of looking at properties while i&#8217;m there<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>If you could become a special guest on his show, your books would explode. Not sure if that is your intentions, but anyway, Dave is awesome<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Please tell me you&#8217;re joking <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, he is anationally syndicated radio host and frequent contributor on FOX network. He preached getting out of debt.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I am focusing on bread and butter cash flow rentals but wouldn&#8217;t 1 A class property in San Diego or LA make sense now for appreciation, given the current market? Crisis is a good time to pick up property, no?<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>Dave Ramsey has recommended we dont ever open a HELOC&#8230;what do you say about this?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I find Mike and Roger&#8217;s work FAR superior to Dave Ramsey&#8217;s. Sorry if I offended anyone. To me D.R. is fluff and Mike and Roger demonstrate the real deal.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Thanks. No, I did not know about Dave.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>RudolphtheRed investigate Dave. He&#8217;s great.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Joel, I live in Los Angeles and I can tell you there is a lot of competition here already from investors that think it&#8217;s a good time to jump on the real estate market. Sometimes homes are getting 40 offers and prices are shooting past appraisal.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>eliseo, Dave is absolutely correct if you are like most people and use it like an ATM machine. If you use it to make cash purchases of income properties and then get mortgages that can be paid from the income the properties produce it is fine. Just don&#8217;t try to stretch to make the deals work.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]I mean Dave serves to the common &#8220;right you ship&#8221; he is not wealth growth imo<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]r<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>rh, would you have some numbers of great brokers for me in LA? My email is joel.lorello@orange.fr<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>No offense taken, thats not what this is about, Dave helps people get out of debt, Mike helps people become millionaires slowly through real estate, you gotta love both<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>RIght on that<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Night Mike, Morning Roger!<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Joel, I don&#8217;t have a broker in Los Angeles, but I have one in the Palmdale/Lancaster area if you&#8217;re interested.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Good morning to you , Sparky<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]What about the free OG trial Mike?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Well put. I just try to find education that really can help me learn and move on. I hate debt&#8230; except when it comes to acquiring appreciating assets like RE.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, we are currently in the best time I&#8217;ve seen in my lifetime to invest in real estate. Forget about inflation! What you want is to be able to buy properties that will comfortably cash flow after all expenses including management fees and maintenance reserves. Rents don&#8217;t fluxuate the way sales prices do.<br />
<strong>grillsjiujitsu@nexicom.net </strong>Thanks Mike &amp; Roger for putting the Weekend Millionaire program together. I have study alot of other real estate programs but yours are by far the best!<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Buy mike and roger see yall next month<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>So with a HELOC&#8230;would you say ask for the maximum so you don&#8217;t have to go in and out with these loans? Or just do one at a time??<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Bye Charlie<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>rh, that would be a start. I hate fishing brokers out of nowhere. They have to be highly experienced real estate investors themselves or it&#8217;s not worth it for me.<br />
<strong>Sam </strong>Mike, what is your thoughts about renting to section 8 tentats?<br />
<strong>Ted </strong>eliseo, with a HELOC you typically get a checkbook and draw the line down as you need it.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Alan, the only way the OG is available now is the CD version you can order off this website. The free trial period was available a few years ago when the program wqas being developed.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]oic<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Can you guys recommend some excellent real estate clubs, especially in LA and San Diego but elsewhere too? This is great and I would love to pursue further conversations and learn and share the little that I know.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>eliseo, with a line of credit, you can draw against it to make a purchase and then when you get permanent financing you pay back the line of credit and do it again and again.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Joel is exuberant at 3 AM<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, Google &#8220;Real Estate Investing Clubs&#8221; You&#8217;ll find hundreds.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Another good point<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>I need to run. Best wishes from Hong Kong<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, thanks for staying up late to be with us. I know it is hard when your several hours later that in the USA.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Thanks Roger!<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]LOC<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Thanks everyone and goodnight<br />
<strong>grillsjiujitsu@nexicom.net </strong>Thanks goodnight everyone!<br />
<strong>bkwslumlord </strong>Ok, well if anyone wants to know, my email is slumlord@comcast.net and I am signing out, thanks for a great first time here on the chat<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I have been wanting to do this for so long but my son is 3 and my wife likes me to be around. They are sleeping and here I am. It&#8217;s a bit tough at this time though. That&#8217;s why I would welcome any of you to email me and maybe talk more. I can call anyone in the US for free. I guess we can all do that now.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Happy flying<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Thanks all!!!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger has to start getting ready to come home. I think he flies out later today.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>I am also curious about Section 8?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Are we still on Mike?<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>I have 3 Section 8 rentals in Dallas.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]Rumor has it that they make good tenants because it&#8217;s their only chance at apt living?<br />
<strong>kim </strong>Calling it a nite. till next time<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>One of my Section 8 tenants messed up the house.<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]okay, don&#8217;t believe rumors!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel, I&#8217;m still here, but Roger has left.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I will have to leave soon too.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Mike, do you have any great deals that you don&#8217;t want? I know that would be hard to believe but maybe it&#8217;s the case?<br />
<strong>eliseo </strong>thanks Mike&#8230;.I will look into the Heloc and start buying&#8230;I will need the Generator too! Bye<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Well, we&#8217;re going to be looking more closely at your materials for sure.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Wow, it&#8217;s 9:10 already and we usually quit at 9:00. This chat has gov=ne very fast. We&#8217;ll have the chat transcript posted in the morning for anyone who wants to come back and read it.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Do we need the other books to make the OG work for us?<br />
<strong>Alan_Charleston,SC </strong>[b]I read about 6 backlogged chats&#8230;prettay..prettay&#8230;pretty good<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight all! See you here next month! The next chat will be August 2nd.<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Mike, please remind me of future chats.<br />
<strong>guysmiley </strong>Thanks<br />
<strong>Joel </strong>Thanks!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joel if you are registered on the website, you will get email reminders.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>The rest of you can stay and talk with each other as long as you want, but I have to run. Goodnight!</span></p>
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		<title>Next Live Chat &#8211; September 13, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Due to the Labor Day holiday, our next live chat will be Monday, September 13, 2010. It will begin at 8:00 PM Eastern, 7:00 PM Central, 6:00 PM Mountain and 5:00 PM Pacific time. Future chats will be held on the first Monday of each month, same time. Just click on the &#8220;chat&#8221; button and follow directions. You do not need a password to participate. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">If you are outside the US, this will be 1:00 AM Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), September 14, 2010. Also, here is a link to a world timezone clock to help you determine the time in your area. </span></span></p>
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		<title>America Needs A Good Dose Of Economic Castor Oil</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The stock market is in chaos, banks and insurance companies are failing and there&#8217;s plenty of talk about sub-prime loans and mortgage backed securities. With talk about derivatives, libor, GSEs, and more, who can expect average working people to know what&#8217;s going on? Every time you turn on the television news or pick up a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The stock market is in chaos, banks and insurance companies are failing and there&#8217;s plenty of talk about sub-prime loans and mortgage backed securities. With talk about derivatives, libor, GSEs, and more, who can expect average working people to know what&#8217;s going on? Every time you turn on the television news or pick up a newspaper, there are stories about how the economy is taking a beating. It brings to mind the old fable about Chicken Little claiming, &#8220;The sky is falling.&#8221; Granted, the financial structure in this country is extremely complicated and can&#8217;t be taken lightly, but just as from a tiny acorn, a mighty oak tree grows, there has to be a seed from which our current mess has grown.<span id="more-523"></span></span><span style="font-size: medium;">Could that that seed be consumer debt? I&#8217;m not talking about money borrowed to invest in assets that earn enough to pay off the loan. I&#8217;m talking about debt that has to be paid from earned income. Debt that people use to elevate their standard of living above what their earned income will support. I don&#8217;t consider home mortgage debt bad unless it is excessive in relation to income. Everyone has to pay to live somewhere; whether it&#8217;s rent or mortgage payments.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Just for fun, let&#8217;s go back to an ancient time when things were rosy and there was no such thing as consumer debt. John and Bill were neighbors who worked in the same industry and had identical salaries. Bill thought he must be doing better than John until he discovered that John was saving a substantial portion of his income. In fact, when he learned that John had several thousand dollars in cash, he approached him about borrowing some money to buy one of those newfangled contraptions called a television.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">John, being a good neighbor, loaned Bill $1,000 and Bill agreed to pay him 10 percent interest on the money. Bill used the money to buy a television and became the envy of the neighborhood. Everyone who came to watch Bill&#8217;s television wanted to know how he could afford it. When Bill explained that John had loaned him the money to buy it, suddenly others started asking John for a loan so they could get one too. It wasn&#8217;t long before John had so many neighbors making payments to him that he was able to buy his own television with just the interest he had received.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">As time passed, more people came to John for loans so they could buy the latest gadgets that everyone else was getting. Eventually John became the banker for his entire community and his original meager savings grew to become millions. The problem was, everything wasn&#8217;t rosy anymore. Now, people who had been his friends called him a fat cat and resented having to make payments to him each month. They said it wasn&#8217;t fair that he had so much money and they didn&#8217;t. Sound familiar?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">I know that&#8217;s a simple scenario, but imagine situations like this playing out in communities all across the country. Gradually the few people who saved, invested and earned interest grew increasingly wealthy and those living on debt found it progressively more difficult to maintain their standard of living. Those who used debt to live above their means gradually grew poorer and the rich got richer. The reason is simple; money is borrowed from the rich, not the poor. Interest is a transfer of wealth. The borrowers pay interest. The rich receive interest. Interest paid buys nothing but time, but interest received can be used to purchase anything the lender wants.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">This is an over simplification of what our nation has been experiencing for decades. Sub-prime loans, mortgage backed securities, and derivatives are just a few of the complicated ways lenders have found to raise and loan money to a society living above its means. The problem may have started with small loans to people with good credit, but gradually, as borrowers became addicted to the higher standard of living that debt brought, it evolved into a frenzy of lending without regard to the borrower&#8217;s ability to repay.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Individuals, companies, cities, states and the federal government have all been borrowing. Total debt is in the trillions. Almost everyone has been living above their means and it has created a house of cards that is on the verge of collapse. I fear that government&#8217;s attempt to solve the problem with more debt may be like throwing gasoline on a fire.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Warning bells have been sounding for years, but we keep borrowing. We are in a financial crisis today because credit has become more difficult to obtain. That may not be all bad since we have already spent our children&#8217;s inheritance and robbed them of the lifestyle we have enjoyed. When are we going to start repaying debt instead of piling on more?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">If you&#8217;re wondering who is at fault for the current problems, answer this question. Are you using part of your paycheck to make payments, other than a reasonable mortgage payment? If the answer is yes, you&#8217;re part of the problem! It means you&#8217;ve been living above your means and taking part of today&#8217;s income to pay for yesterday&#8217;s spending.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Here&#8217;s a tip! We&#8217;re never going to get out of this mess if we continue to borrow. Years ago, if a child got sick, he and all his siblings got a good dose of Castor Oil. It tasted terrible, but it worked. What our country needs today is a good dose of economic Castor Oil. Forcing people to pay off debt and live within their means won&#8217;t be pleasant, but unless we do it, we&#8217;re never going to break the debt addiction.</span></p>
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		<title>Real Estate Is The Name, Wealth Building Is The Game</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Real estate has gotten a bad name recently. If you talk to people on the street, they will tell you that real estate is in the tank; that it&#8217;s not a good investment. Then if you ask, &#8220;What is the best way to build wealth?&#8221; You&#8217;ll get a hesitation before most of them will tell you that over the long term, it&#8217;s with real estate investments. Then comes the fun part! Ask them to define wealth. You&#8217;ll get a hundred different answers.<span id="more-429"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The problem is that most people confuse income and wealth. They aren&#8217;t the same things. Wealth is not the big house in which you live. It&#8217;s not the expensive car you drive. It&#8217;s not the fancy clothes you wear. It&#8217;s not your country club membership or you boat or plane. All of these things may be an indicator that you have a good income, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you are wealthy. Wealth is measured by how long you can maintain your standard of living if you suddenly are no longer able to work and earn.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Wealth is an income stream; a source of passive income that doesn&#8217;t require you to trade your time for money. Passive income comes from interest, dividends, royalties or other instruments in which you have invested prior earnings or expertise. Rental income from investment real estate is also passive income and possibly the best way to build wealth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Real estate is the world&#8217;s greatest wealth builder. It&#8217;s the only investment I know of that ordinary working people can purchase using a small amount of their earned income, yet it can produce enough revenue to pay for itself and provide a return on the cash used to leverage the purchases. Stocks and bonds can only be leveraged 50 percent, but real estate is frequently leveraged 100 percent and more. That means that under the right circumstances you can buy properties with no money down and finance the full purchase.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The biggest problem with this ability to highly leverage real estate is that it attracts speculators who have no intention of holding the properties for the income. These speculators acquire real estate to sell to others. This works fine as long as there are buyers who will pay enough to give the speculators a profit, but when the market goes cold and buyers aren&#8217;t there, it can be disastrous. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening right now!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Have you ever played the board game Monopoly? If so, you know that the way to win is to buy as many properties as possible, put houses and hotels on them as soon as possible, then sit back and collect the rents. Gradually, the players who were afraid to take risks and chose not to buy properties early in the game, are forced out because paying rent to those who did takes all their money. The interesting thing about playing Monopoly is that the winner is nearly always strapped for cash early in the game. He is always investing his earnings and often mortgaging properties he already owns in order to buy more. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The game is about as close to reality as it gets. The winner in Monopoly has little cash early in the game because he invests all he can. The winners in life do the same thing. Those who in their youth and spend everything they make on motorcycles, boats, big screen HD televisions, designer clothes and other things that go down in value, never enjoy life as much as those who invest. While they may initially appear to be more successful, people with this &#8220;look-at-me&#8221; lifestyle usually find themselves in an increasing struggle to keep up with the lifestyle of those who sacrifice in the beginning so they can invest for the future.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The losers at Monopoly will sit at the board with a pile of cash and pass up buying opportunities because they don&#8217;t want to risk running low on money. As a result, other players buy the properties and eventually force them out of the game. Without investments, their only income is to pass GO and collect $200. In real life, leveraged real estate has an income stream that will barely break even in the beginning. This is not exciting or stimulating unless you look at the impact of owning it over the long term. While initially it may take all of the income generated to pay expenses and mortgage payments, over time rents go up and the mortgages pay down. This produces a cash flow that starts as a trickle and grows as long as you own the properties.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The present crash has forced speculators out of the real estate market and falling prices are making it increasingly more attractive for long term investors. Granted, if you&#8217;ve never invested in real estate, it can be scary. I sat in the closing with sweaty palms and butterflies in my stomach when I bought my first investment property. Like many first time investors; I saw the mortgage payment coming from my earned income. Although I hoped the property would produce enough to make the payments, I wasn&#8217;t totally sure.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Here&#8217;s a tip! Now is the best time I&#8217;ve seen in my lifetime to start investing. Real estate is the name, wealth building is the game. Think of it as playing Monopoly for keeps. The more you learn and the longer you play the better you will get and the more comfortable you will become. I strongly recommend my Weekend Millionaire book series as a way to get started investing in real estate. You will not only find step-by-step guidance on how to make sensible investments, you will also learn what not to do as what to do, as well. Happy investing! Get started now!</span></p>
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		<title>Chat Transcript &#8211; June 7, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger Dawson Hi Janevan and Fishizzle! Mike should be with us shortly Roger Dawson There&#8217;s Mike! Mike_Summey Hi everyone! Fishizzle Hey Roger and Mike Roger Dawson Hi Rudolph! Mike_Summey Looks like I&#8217;m late. robsargent828 Hi! Mike_Summey Hi Rob Roger Dawson Mike no, you were right on time. to the second janevan Hi Rudolph! Mike_Summey I&#8217;ve [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Janevan and Fishizzle! Mike should be with us shortly<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>There&#8217;s Mike!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi everyone!<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>Hey Roger and Mike<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Rudolph!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Looks like I&#8217;m late.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Hi!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Rob<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Mike no, you were right on time. to the second<br />
<strong>janevan </strong>Hi Rudolph!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I&#8217;ve had a busy day. Just barely made it back in time.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Hi Folks!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Any questions before we start getting busy?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Now&#8217;s the time. Only 4 of you and 2 of us. the odds are good.<span id="more-698"></span><br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Joshua<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi DAve<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jneun<br />
<strong>jneun </strong>Good evening all<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>What is the best way to accertain appropriate rent for a property?<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>Mike, I know you typically purchase homes newer than 1970. I&#8217;m considering a place built in 1900, that has been updated. Would you caution against this purchase? Location is pretty unbeatable.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, find a property manager you like and get that number from them. They know the rental market best. That&#8217;s what I do.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, that&#8217;s a bit old. Is it an historic property?<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>Yes, it is a historic property although I don&#8217;t think it has to comply with any historic preservation requirements.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rudolph: A property manager that is experienced in the area and one that you trust, is your best way to find out what a property will rent for.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, there are so many relatively new homes on the market right now at great prices, I wouldn&#8217;t want to look at something that old.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Gene<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Weur<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>hello, Mike. This is my first chat.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Weur, glad to have you. We&#8217;re friendly here so feel free to jump in any time.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Mike, I am looking at a 1930 duplex (originally SFR) for 30K with 60K wort of rehab in the Candler area. Would you take on something like that or start from scratch, just demolish and put a new place on it.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Another way to evaluate rental potential is to act like a tenant and go see a few properties. By the time you&#8217;ve seen ten rentals in the neighborhood, you&#8217;ll have a good feel for it.<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>How much do you have to worry about a &#8220;newer&#8221; property&#8217;s neighborhood remaining stable over, say, 50 years? We want to have our rentals for life.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rob, like I said to Fish, there are so many relatively new homes on the market now, why would you want to undertake a project like that?<br />
<strong>jneun </strong>Anyone care to share what percentage of the final price they have had success with as an opening bid? So if the list price is $200K and you can make money at $160K where would you bid?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi tortorainc<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Hello all<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, remind me, do you do your own inspections or do you have an official inspection report done during your due diligence period?<br />
<strong>Dave </strong>Hi, guys. I&#8217;m curious if you have had any success in generating leads for properties from sources like bankruptcy attorneys, divorce attorneys or other non-bank professionals. I have tried to knock on the door of a few banks to identify potential candidates &#8211; short sale and non short-sale &#8212; and probably just need to keep pounding the pavement.<br />
<strong>GeneS. </strong>HI Mike, My daughter is looking to purchase a home in Pa. There is a 2% Buyers Transfer Fee. How much are Buyers Transfer Fees in other areas of the U. S. The estimated closing cost on a $ 170,000. home purchase is $ 10,000. (that doesn&#8217;t include taxes and insurance up front escros of about $ 2,000.)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jneun&lt; I&#8217;d probably offer $140,000.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Hi mike<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Dave, I have had success with attorneys handling probate cases.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I do my own inspections, but remember I&#8217;ve been at it for nearly 40 years.<br />
<strong>GeneS. </strong>At $ 10,000. closing costs that means that the home must appreciate $ 10,000. to break even. Is that pretty standand in home purchases? That seems excessive to me. Is it excessive?<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Mike I&#8217;m a property manager and broker in Buffalo NY<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>is it worth it to purchase a rental property if the first few years you can only cash flow less than $100/month? (NOI minus mortgage)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dave, there are a ton of bank owned properties listed with Realtors. Why not look at them? They are much easier to buy that short sales and such and once the property has gone through foreclosure the title is usuall cleared of everything.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>I agree Maike bank ownerd proerties are much better<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>GeneS, we do not have transfer fees in NC, SC or AL and that&#8217;s the only 3 states I&#8217;m buying in.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Jneun, strickly from a negotiating standpoint if they&#8217;re asking $200K and you want it for $160K you should offer $120K. Then you are Bracketing your objective. At that low price you&#8217;ll have to imply some flexibility to encourage them to negotiate with you.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Rob<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Hello Mike&#8230;first time attendee!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, I&#8217;m going to shorten your screen name so it is easier to reply. Glad to have you with us. Maybe you can answer some of the property manager questions we get.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, remember in your CDs when you tell that story about the bank wanting to only loan you on % of of purchase instead of appraised value? You went back to them and said you are going to loan me less money because I got a good deal, but would loan me less than if I paid market value? Well, I&#8217;m in the same situation, but bank won&#8217;t budge! Thoughts? I can provide more details<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>My son just bought a short sale but it was a real hassle. Don&#8217;t try it if you&#8217;re allergic to stress.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, I will buy if the property only breaks even because I know that the longer I own the property the better the cash flow will get as the mortgage pays down and the rent goes up.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>You got it<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Is there supposed to be audio with this?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rob, glad to have you. Just jump in at any time with a questiuon.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rob: No, no audio.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jlee<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Hello Mike and Roger<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Jlee<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rob, we&#8217;re &#8220;low tech&#8221; here.<br />
<strong>jneun </strong>Roger, Thanks. That&#8217;s the approach I&#8217;ve been taking. Will try a couple more with emphasis on flexibility then perhaps try Mike&#8217;s version and bail at my money making point.<br />
<strong>Dave </strong>As a realtor I have access to MLS and my other realtors. I&#8217;m fairly new and getting to know them. I just thought that there might be some interesting opportunities to pursue with the attorneys. Thanks for the feedback.<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>what do you think about SFH vs duplex or fourplex? we&#8217;re finding it&#8217;s harder to cashflow SFH in our area.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>I want to say &#8220;Thank You&#8221; to both of you. I just made an offer that was accepted for my 1st purchase just for investment.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Congratulations jlee! The first one is always the hardest.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Congrats Jlee<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, try anther bank.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, where are you located?<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>Boise, ID<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Guys, silly question perhaps: How far out of town would you look for investment rental property? I live in Asheville so perhaps you could give an example of distance relevant to this area, too. <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, that&#8217;s great!<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Mike properties in Buffalo are cheaper than ever and the cash flow is great<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Hi Rudolph I am in Asheville too, stick around afterwards so we can exchange contact info!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, I invest in Asheville, Anderson, SC and Enterprise, AL. I have good management in all three places and I stick to within a 10 mile radius of the management firms.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, bought it cash. They&#8217;re the only one offering cash-back refinancing at all in the area. Believe me, I&#8217;ve talked with over 30 banks.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>When you&#8217;re making a low offer be sure to explain why you&#8217;re making it. E.g. to make it rentable you&#8217;ll have to relplace the floor in the kitchen and put in a new air conditioner. Then the seller doesn&#8217;t think that you&#8217;re lowballing them to take advantage of their misfortune.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, are you working with Leigh Santo?<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Yes<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, do you have it rented yet?<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Mike..I live in NC (Pinehurst) but am pursuing REO&#8217;s and short sales in Asheville, Greensboro, and the Triangle. Any intel on what areas and price points you feel are good flip opps in Asheville?<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>I have been managing is properties for three years<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>his<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, Santo was a regular with us most of last year, but we haven&#8217;t seen him in several months. How is he doing.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, not yet, but should be shortly. I wasn&#8217;t planning on getting the financing until it was anyway.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rob, Charlotte is good and across the border in Spartanburg, Greenville and Anderson there are some terrific deals.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rob: don&#8217;t forget that we don&#8217;t preach flipping properties. We believe in buying and holding. Mike still owns the first rental he bought.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi adam<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>His wife was sick and just past<br />
<strong>adam </strong>hi mike hi everyone<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>I am looking for an education starting point; I would like to invest in real estate and need a knowledge base<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, don&#8217;t talk to a bank until you have the property rented and then you can show cashflow to cover the loan.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, sorry to hear that. Please tell him I asked about him.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Weur, have you read our books?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Weur: start with our book and audio series: The Weekend Millionaires Real Estate Investing program. We wrote it just for you.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Wuer I recommend their books big time!<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>no, just heard about your website last week from my brother<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>I&#8217;m going to sign out early tonight but just wanted to let you know that your plan worked for me. Now I just have to figure out how to get the 2nd one.<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>thank you, Roger, Rob!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Thanks JLee<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Weur, check out the online store on our website. You will find everything you need there and if you have any questions, we host these chats the first Monday of each month. We&#8217;ll help you any way we can.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>i will<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Thanks Roger&#8230;.just looking to generate more of my own capital at this point. Even after 35 yrs in const and development, this is still new to me at this level.<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>Thanks, Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, I&#8217;m very happy for you. The more experience you get the easier it will get.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi angela<br />
<strong>angela531 </strong>hi are you taking questions?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>angela, whenever you&#8217;re ready.<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>sorry to rehash this question: i want to hold property for my lifetime &#8211; many of the &#8220;newer&#8221; properties i&#8217;m finding are in areas that may or may not be stable over 50 years, vs. older homes in established/desirable areas. what are your thoughts?<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going to get a different result. They already told me that it would need to be rented before they would do the loan at all. Starting the negotiating process now since it takes some time. Just thought I would get your and Roger thoughts<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Someone a few moments ago brought up SFR vs. multi-family. I own both flavors and find the multi-family to cash flow more easily. Mike and Roger what is your take on this?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, I understand your concerns, but think what a neighborhood of 50-100 year old homes will be like in 50 years. You need to evaluate each neighborhood individually and feel comfortable with the long haul.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, what type financing are you asking them to do?<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>thanks, that&#8217;s an important consideration. I&#8217;m interested to hear the answer to Rudolph&#8217;s question too.<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Mike&#8230;it the areas you mentioned, do you feeels that values have stabalized for real? I own part of a property I inherited in central Phoenix (AZ) and somewhat feel it has there&#8230;.but I am concerend by what could be another round of value hits with the shado inventory issues.<br />
<strong>angela531 </strong>I&#8217;ve got two properties left both on ARMs tied to LIBOR. i have enough cash from selling my other properties to pay off the mortgages but i don&#8217;t want to be cash poor. I don&#8217;t show high income so I don&#8217;t fit any traditional categories for a refi. They&#8217;re both non-owner properties and i have tenants in them. One is in LA and one in Vegas. Together, they cashflow &#8211; for now, because LIBOR is low. Suggestions?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, I agree. Multifamily will usually cash flow better because most people don&#8217;t understand that about 25% of the price of SFHs is emotion. Take the emotion out of it and offer what the cash flow will dictate and they work about the same. You just get a lot of rejections on SFH offers.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rudolph, I believe that you should have a mix of properties in your portfolio. Apartment buildings (16 units or more) give you better cash flow. SFRs might appreciate faster in rental income and are easier to sell should you get into trouble and need to raise some cash. (Don&#8217;t tell Mike that I mentioned selling. He doesn&#8217;t believe in it.)<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rob, a very interesting thing about rentals. Rents tend to be much more stable that prices so buying properties based on current rental rates will usually work over the long haul because you don&#8217;t see the large fluctuations you see in purchase prices.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Mike is right never sell<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, 15 yr am, their program is 6.25%, 5 yr fixed. Purchased for 60K. 6K in repairs. Appraised at 90K. Max they&#8217;ll loan is 54K.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>angela, I would not use your cash to pay off the mortgages unless you just have to. That cash provides a good reserve to cover the loans if you have vacancy. Try to shop for a floating rate fixed payment loan with an interest floor and cap.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>If you&#8217;re not familiar with LIBOR, here&#8217;s the definition:<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Mike, that does make sense and of course you know firsthand in up and down markets.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jason. Are you my son Jason?<br />
<strong>angela531 </strong>define &#8220;floating rate fixed payment loan&#8221;??<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>All, thanks for the information and hospitallity. I am still at work here and have to get back to it. Thank you for the suggestions for initial knowledge base. Best regards<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>mike, do you buy contracts from wholesalers, and if so what is your main criteria?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Weur, join us again next month.<br />
<strong>jason </strong>i am<br />
<strong>WeurJ </strong>Will do. Thanks again.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>LIBOR: London Interbank Offered Rate. It&#8217;s what international banks lend each other money at. It fluctuates daily.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rob, I&#8217;ve bought a few, but I don&#8217;t make a regular practice of it. I can usually find deals as well as they can.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Jason!<br />
<strong>jason </strong>hello roger<br />
<strong>angela531 </strong>I&#8217;m getting nervous watching LIBOR rise due to trouble in Europe&#8230;<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I bought two SFHs last month and have another one that is supposed to close by next Wed. One is a 4BR 2.5BA with double car garage, 3 years old. I got it for $57,700<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi rh<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Mike you own any properties in Buffalo<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>would you recommend buying in neighborhoods that are a &#8220;mixed bag&#8221; with some new remodels and also some homes that need TLC or just wait to find a good price in an all new area?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Hello everyone.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Mike who was the seller on the SFH? Bank, estate, person, etc?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>The other is a 3BR 2BA with dbl car garage 4-5 years old. I got it for $42,000. Both needed only cosmetic repairs, interior pait in both plus carpet in one.<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Short of looking for owner-financed deals, lease options, etc., what advice would you give someone who is short on capital of their own to buy and hold? In other words, is there a relative fast-track to attracting investor capital&#8230;and where/how?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, no I don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s too cold for me there.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, 15 yr am, their program is 6.25%, 5 yr fixed. Purchased for 60K. 6K in repairs. Appraised at 90K. Max they&#8217;ll loan is 54K.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rob, both were bank foreclosures.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>I bet you that<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>The cold keeps the property manager busy with no heat calls<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, are those typical home prices in your area or are they exceptional bargains?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, I&#8217;d bee somewhat leery of the mixed neighborhoods unless you can buy enough of the ones needing TLC so you can fix the neighborhood.<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Mike..were those in WNC?<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>thanks, Mike<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Mike, there are some forclosures I have been interested in but they always require a proof of fund letter or prequal letter to even look at the offer. I have no funds and could only qualify for an owner occupied loan, not investment loan. what do you suggest to over come this to get the banks to look at my offer<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, that only a 60% LTV. I wish I knew what to tell you. I think you could find a bank that would go at least 75% LTV.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jose<br />
<strong>jose </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, they are exceptional prices. Both of the houses have tax values well over $100,000.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, yeah it&#8217;s too bad. They say they do 75% LTV, but they want at least 10% of my own money in the deal&#8230;hence loan of 54K<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Mike are you buying exclusively from banks now?<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Mike&#8230;in some areas do you feel tax values are a good &amp; true gauge if the assessed values are older than two years? If the area is stable, then I would suspect yes&#8230;but in some areas no&#8230;.especially in the higher priced homes.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rob, you are right about the proof of funds letter. I just had to get one today for a foreclosure offer I made Friday. If you don&#8217;t have the cash or credit to get such a letter, you are at a decided disadvantage. One of the reasons I am getting such good deals from banks it the fact that I can buy for cash and close in a week. That really give you clout.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, what determination do you make to submit offers that low? I&#8217;m also closing on some REO properties, but I haven&#8217;t seen flexibility from the banks at that level.<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>good question, rh.<br />
<strong>Fishizzle </strong>I was told 5% flexibility today, which seems laughable.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger, no one of the offers I made Friday was to an individual seller. I am making a lot of offer on bank owned properties in SC, but there aren&#8217;t many in AL. Nearly all of the AL offers are to individuals, but I follow the same criteria in both places.<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Depends upon the bank, time of month, quarter, etc. does it not as respects the flexibility?<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>Thats true Mike I recently bought two houses bank owned and i had the cash to close quick and beat out higher offers<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Fish, sometimes you have to wait them out. I&#8217;ve made offers that were rejected outright when I made them only to have the bank come back months later and ask if my offer is still good.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, how long had your 2 deals been on the market? square footage on each?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>tort, I had the same thing happen with the one that was supposed to close Friday. The bank took my offer over two higher ones that were congient upon financing. Then my attorney found a small title problem the bank is having to clear before we can close.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>how much longer do we have tonight? til 9 EST?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, is your son still purchasing property in Riverside?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>rob, that&#8217;s right. 12 minutes more<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>It awsome getting a great deal<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I&#8217;m not sure about the time on the market. I think both were at least 3-4 months or more. The larger one was 2250 sq. ft. The smaller one was about 1600.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rob, yes until 9:00 Eastern.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rh: he bought a home two months ago in Riverside for 130,000. It sold for over 300K three years ago. He&#8217;s living in it and fixing it up.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>My son Jason is in the chat. He and his brother have purchased 19 homes in less than a year and a half.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, have most of the homes you&#8217;ve been buying over the past year been 2000 or newer or have you been buying any built in the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s?<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Jason, what is your main source of financing? Bank, Cash, Private?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, most have been newer homes. I think I may have bought 2 older that 2000 in the past couple of years.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m curious about the calculations you use when running offer generator on a property. Even when you&#8217;re paying cash do you calculate a loan percentage or do you use the cash offer option? And if you use the cash offer option, what is the minimum ROI you try to get? Obviously you can pay much more for the property if you&#8217;re seeking a 5% return on your cash versus acquiring a 5% loan. You&#8217;re getting great deals so in your case I&#8217;m not sure it even makes a difference.<br />
<strong>tortorainc </strong>I have to leave Mike see you next week<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi lewis.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>hi<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>um, i am not seeing any chatting<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>Jason, what is your main source of financing? Bank, Cash, Private?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I use the cash offer option and try to get a ROI high enough to cover the payement on the loan when I finance it.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, 2250 sf, isn&#8217;t that on the high side? I thought you wouldn&#8217;t buy anything larger than 2000 sf? If not, what is your max?<br />
<strong>jason </strong>sorry for my delay but have a hungry 3 month old in my lap&#8230;we use cash to purchase then once the property is up and running we mortgage<br />
<strong>jason </strong>multi-tasling lol<br />
<strong>jason </strong>tasking<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>no no, tasling is better <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>thanks Jason<br />
<strong>jason </strong>you&#8217;re welcome&#8230;we&#8217;ve had great sucess with it<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, I just bought a home in Lancaster for 105K. It also once sold for 270K.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I don&#8217;t let square footage guide me. I let the mid range of the rental market be my guide. If I can buy a 4000 sq. ft. home at a price I can rent it in the mid range that&#8217;s okay. Who knows, I may find a renter willing to pay much more and if so I win.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, once you pay off a rental do you then refi it to take cash out and use that money elsewhere?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, and the property was in turnkey condition.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, I used to do that, but I don&#8217;t have to anymore. I&#8217;ve been at it so long that many of my properties are not owned free and clear. About 70% of them.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>now owned free and clear, sorry<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, thanks, that makes more sense now. I still get concerned with too long of vacancies on larger homes. So for your 2250 sf home what is mid rental range in that area? 800-1200/mo?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, that&#8217;s about right. If I rent it for $895 it will cash flow.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I know you like to take very good care of your properties. What are some of the bigger upgrades you do to the homes that make them attractive to tenants?<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, do you finance all your new purchases or do you use your own cash to buy them<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>fh: The areas outside of LA are hotter than a pistol right now. There are some real bargains being snapper up by savvy investors right now. This isn&#8217;t Detroit. People still want to live here.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, new windows, architectural shingle roofs, vinyl siding, adding AC, etc.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, do you own any lower income rentals<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Roger..when u say outside of LA&#8230;are you referring to places like the Inland Empire&#8230;or further out yet&#8230;like the high desert?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, I buy all new acquisitions with cash, get them rented and then get financing to get my cash back out. I then let the tenants buy them for me.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, do you always do the upgrades immediately after you make a purchase or do you spread them out over the life of the rental?<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, do you finance through lending institutions or private lenders<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, I have a few lower end properties, but they are at the lower end of the mid range for the areas. I don&#8217;t have any slum properties.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, what was asking price on your 2 deals?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, when I buy a property that needs work, I immediately do all that is required to put it in first class condition. That&#8217;s how I get the best rents and I factor that into the equation when making the offers.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, I use only lending institutions. I currently deal with 10 banks.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rob: I didn&#8217;t mean as far out as the high desert. You can&#8217;t commute into LA from there. I meant towns like Riverside and Palmdale.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Mike, what would you call the mid-range for Asheville?<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>I used to live in Chino Hills up unitl 1994 and thought it was bizzarre when people would commute from Apple Valley, etc. Sure enough, those places crashed the worst in 90-96<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I don&#8217;t remember. I never even look at the asking price. I don&#8217;t want to be influenced by it. I calculate what the property is worth to me and that&#8217;s what I offer. I don&#8217;t care what a seller is asking, that doesn&#8217;t change what it is worth to me.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph $700-1200<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Great answer Mike!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, finally got a couple accepted in past 2 weeks. However, not near as new, 1979 and 1972.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rob: I have a second home at Lake Arrowhead and prices there are still down.<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Thanks! REALLY good questions and answers tonight!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>I need to run. I&#8217;m going to be in Hong Kong next month, but I&#8217;ll join to again in August.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>39K and 36K, 3/2, carport. rent for 850 to 900<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, those will be fine as long as you keep up the maintenance.<br />
<strong>RobPit </strong>Always loved that smog ring you would see and enter coming down from Arrowhead.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Much smaller though 1250 and 1350 sf<br />
<strong>rh </strong>RobPit, I know what you&#8217;re talking about. Not a pleasant sight when I hike above Glendale either.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, when Imake offers on a property, I start with what it would rent for in first class condition. Then I calculate the NOI based on that rent. Next I reduce the NOI by enough to give me a return on the fix-up and closing cost. Then I use the remaining NOI to back into what I want to offer for the property in it&#8217;s present condition.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>What ROI% do you do on your repairs and closing costs?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>If you use our Offer Generator program, it prompts you to make offers just as I described. It is the best tool you can own. I use it on every offer I make.<br />
<strong>robsargent828 </strong>thanks for that Mike<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I presume you offer lower than the remaining NOI.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, the same ROI I use ofr anything I put out cash for. Why use a different return for fix-up or for the purchase price? It&#8217;s all cash.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, i cant save offers calculated by the offer generator<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, agreed, just wondering if that&#8217;s 8%, 10%, 12%, etc?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I usually give myself a bit of fudge room, especially when dealing with an individual seller. With the banks, I make my offer and that it, take it or leave it. I don&#8217;t ahve time to go back and forth of a bunch of offers. I can make 10 additional offers with the time I&#8217;d spend going back and forth with counters.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, yes you can.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>i have tried. it doesnt seem to work for me<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>You just set up a file to save them into on the computer and then go back to that file to retreive them.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>ok<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>have you ever bought a property that didnt work like you had planned.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Okay everyone, we&#8217;re well past 9:00 &amp; I&#8217;ve got to run. The rest of you can stay and talk among yourselves as long as you wish.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight all!<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Thanks, Mike.<br />
<strong>jason </strong>Thanks&#8230;<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Thanks Mike, have a good night.<br />
<strong>adam </strong>good night<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Joshua, please ask your question about the percentages again next week.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Errr, I mean next month.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Anyone catch what Mike&#8217;s ROI requirements were? He said he reduced NOI by his ROI on repairs and closing costs<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Joshua, I don&#8217;t think he said. I personally like to get at least 5%. I don&#8217;t know if Mike aims higher.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Yeah, I try and target 15% myself but maybe that&#8217;s limiting me. I&#8217;ll ask next month.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>It&#8217;s a good question. I would like to know what rate of return he usually seeks because the Offer Generator gives you a lot of choices. You could pay anything for a property as long as your willing to sacrifice some of your ROI.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Agreed, have a good night<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Goodnight.</span></p>
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		<title>Why Little Johnny and Mary Struggle Financially As Adults</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another school year is almost over and millions of young people have sat through classes that focus on how to get a job, but fail to teach them how to handle the money they will earn. As a result the vast majority will go through life struggling to make payments on debts they probably wouldn&#8217;t have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Another school year is almost over and millions of young people have sat through classes that focus on how to get a job, but fail to teach them how to handle the money they will earn. As a result the vast majority will go through life struggling to make payments on debts they probably wouldn&#8217;t have if they were taught how to manage their money and avoid the devastating effects of consumer debt. I don&#8217;t fault the teachers, I blame the system.</span><span style="font-size: medium;">With all the money spent on education, why is it so rare to find high school graduates who know anything about consumer mathematics? We turn out students who can plot the course of a rocket to the moon, but can&#8217;t balance a checking account, reconcile a credit card account or know that loan payments consist of principal and interest. Why is so much emphasis placed on preparing young people for college and so little effort made to teach them how to prepare a budget, pay bills and run a household?<span id="more-434"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">I&#8217;ve had numerous discussions with teachers on this topic and consistently I hear the same thing; they teach to prepare students for the tests that determine their school&#8217;s overall performance and whether or not they get bonuses. Can you blame them? I don&#8217;t! I blame the politicians who have created a system that fails to teach our children what they are going to need to function in the real world.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">What concerns me the most is the long-term affect this failure is having on our country. Over the last three decades the gap between the rich and poor has widened, the middle class has been shrinking and the poor have been hit the hardest. According to the US Census Bureau, the top quintile, the wealthiest 20 percent of Americans, those who own homes, stocks, bonds and other investments control a larger percentage of the nation&#8217;s wealth today than they did a decade ago. Those in all other quintiles own less than they did a decade ago. Although it&#8217;s difficult to trace this trend to its root causes, I believe much of it can be blamed on a failure to teach the financial skills needed to create wealth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Students are prepared to enter adulthood, get a job and earn money. They aren&#8217;t prepared to get the money they earn to work for them. Fresh out of high school, young people are bombarded with credit card offers, yet they receive no training nor are they cautioned about the devastating effect consumer debt can have on their lives. This lack of knowledge is what allows the wealthy to take advantage of the poor. Without understanding the consequences, less affluent people often borrow in an attempt to have some of what they see the rich enjoying. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not how it works.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">When rich people deposit money into banks and the banks loan that money to credit card holders, the interest the card holders pays becomes a transfer of wealth from the borrower to the investor. A portion of the interest paid by the card holder is paid as interest to the investors who get wealthier. It buys the borrowers nothing and reduces their wealth. Like it or not, that&#8217;s how economics work. Why aren&#8217;t we teaching this concept to our children when they are in middle and high school? Why are we letting them graduate thinking they can borrow their way to prosperity only to become entangled in a web of debt from which many never recover?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">As a nation, we have become addicted to debt, both public and private. I wonder if politicians are afraid to teach young people about the negative consequences of debt for fear they will be tossed out of office for the reckless government spending they approve. I also wonder if powerful lobbying by lending institutions has led to economics 101 being dropped from school curriculums. Has consumer lending become so lucrative that exposing its dark side is no longer acceptable? Whatever the reasons, until a major focus is placed on teaching young people how to manage their finances, I think we will continue seeing the gap between the rich and poor widen.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Little Johnny or Mary should never be allowed to graduate high school until they can demonstrate their ability to write a check, balance a checking account, reconcile a credit card account, and understand the difference in cost between saving for big purchases and financing them. They should also be able to prepare a meaningful household budget that takes into consideration expenses that are paid annually or semi-annually. They should be able to calculate the future value of regular savings at various rates of return. They should understand how the combination of price and terms is what determines the value of long-term investments like real estate. These are just a few of the skills every high school graduate needs in order to function in the real world.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">Here&#8217;s a tip! We&#8217;re never going to see these changes made if we continue to accept the status quo in education. Until we demand that consumer economics become a critical part of basic education, we&#8217;re going to continue to flood the workplace with financially illiterate young people. There should be a major focus on teaching youngsters skills they are going to need whether they become ditch diggers or doctors.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;">The current school year is almost over, so there&#8217;s not much that can be done for this year, but if enough people call or write their legislators about this major flaw in our educational system, it might make a difference for coming years. Send them the message that not only should basic consumer economics be on the tests, it should carry extra weight. These skills are something every student will need in adulthood.</span></p>
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		<title>Chat Transcript &#8211; May 3, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 13:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dwayne_Wiseman Charlie, Good evening. How is the weather in SC? Dwayne_Wiseman Hi Mike. Mike_Summey Hi Dwayne &#38; Charlie Mike_Summey Hi Rudolph RudolphtheRed Hi Mike. How are you doing? Mike_Summey Hi SJ sj Hi Mike Mike_Summey Looks like we&#8217;re getting a few people in early tonight. CHARLIE HI MIKE Mike_Summey SJ or Rudolph, if you have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Charlie, Good evening. How is the weather in SC?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Hi Mike.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Dwayne &amp; Charlie<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Rudolph<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Hi Mike. How are you doing?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi SJ<br />
<strong>sj </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Looks like we&#8217;re getting a few people in early tonight.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>HI MIKE<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>SJ or Rudolph, if you have a question for Dwayne before the room gets crowded, you may want to ask him now.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Charlie<br />
<strong>sj </strong>lots of interest in your guests tonight!!<span id="more-690"></span><br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>We&#8217;ll have a bunch coming in soon, so now is the time to get answers before we get busy.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Theeeere&#8217;s Roger Dawson<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>I&#8217;ll probably &#8220;listen&#8221; for a while. This is my first time in the chat room.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Broadway<br />
<strong>sj </strong>Mike how&#8217;s your buyers agent working out for you?<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Hello Mike<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Hello everyone else too.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, glad to have you. Feel free to jump in anytime. Everyone is welcome.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Trav<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Everybody. Greetings from sunny Southern California<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Hey Roger!<br />
<strong>Trav </strong>Hey Mike<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Dwayne, thanks for joining us this evening.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>HEY ROGER<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hey Charlie<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Don&#8217;t everyone be bashful. Let&#8217;s get some questions to Dwayne.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>You are welcome. It has been a while. The banking industry has really changed and will continue for sometime.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Redsox<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>Evening, Mike. Thanks.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I&#8217;ll have an announcement in a few minutes, once we get more people in the room.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Redsox, is this your first chat?<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>It has been several months since I have been on Mike.<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>Looking to connect more regularly as I get my investment portfolio going.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I&#8217;ve bought several properties from Dwayne&#8217;s bank. He is one of the few bankers who knows what&#8217;s going on in the market.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Frank<br />
<strong>Frank Evans </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi seamass<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Joshua<br />
<strong>seamass </strong>hi<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, why don&#8217;t you get us started with a brief assessment of the market today?<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>I&#8217;ll throw a question out to start for Dwayne.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, how often do you inspect your properties with your mgmt co? Do you talk directly with the tenants or do you prefer to just walk through and let your manager handle all discussions to maintain that buffer?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger, are you coming to go with me to the shuttle launch?<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>I was listening to an online seminar last week discussing the merits of non-recourse loans related to using IRA-related investments for real estate. Do you have a perspective on the value/benefits or lack thereof for this type of product?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m trying to work it out for the Shuttle launch. I&#8217;ll let you know by Wednesday.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I have my managers inspect 60-90 days after a tenant moves in and then prior to each lease renewal. I don&#8217;t usually inspect while a tenant is in the property, but do so frequently between tenants.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>The economic crisis has hit main street. Banks will continue through 2011 or longer working through real estate loans and divesting of the problem real estate. There will be ongoing opportunities for investors to purchase properties at discounted prices.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, CHARLIE is our sleeper tonight. He is one of my &#8220;Buyer&#8217;s Agents.&#8221; If you want to know anything about how I do business, ask CHARLIE.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Dwayne, do you see banks working more with investors to absorb the foreclosures in this market?<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, why the inspection 60-90 days after move-in?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Dwayne, what loans do you have available now for non owner occupied investor SFRs?<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>How does one go about finding out about these bank-owned trouble properties?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, to see how a new tenant is taking care of the property. If we find a problen after 60-90 days, we inspect again in another 60 days.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Yes, they will have to but they will use stricter underwrtiing guidelines but they can be more flexiable/creative with a property they own.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Look fo a agent that deals in foreclosusers<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>How anxious and interested are banks to work with investors on short sale properties? Any suggestions you might have regarding paths less traveled by investors to identify bank-owned opportunities?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Rudolph, they are listed for sale. That&#8217;s what Charlie does for me. He finds them.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Roger, the loans we are doing now are basically for &#8220;bank owned properties&#8221; we own.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Dwayne: Do you sell your REOs directly or do you list them with a broker?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, those are classified as &#8220;loands to facilitate&#8221; aren&#8217;t they?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Ripped<br />
<strong>RippedOffByWIA </strong>Hi Mike. Call me RIP for short <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Gotcha, Rip<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>RedSox9, very limited. These transacations take a lot of time. Banks will listen (if you find the right person) but it has to make some sense for them to move forward.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Roger, Both. We prefer to sale directly to save everyone money.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Dwayne, does your bank have any operations in Houston, TX? If not, any good portfolio lenders you might recommend?<br />
<strong>seamass </strong>how do you get started with limited money and bad credit?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Redsox, I have an offer that has been pending since last July for a short sale. It took until February of this year to find out who actually owned the mortgage.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Ty<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Joshua, no we do not but several years ago we were looking to expand into Texas but when the crisis hit we put it on hold. I donot know of one in that market, sorry.<br />
<strong>Ty </strong>Thank you. I hope everyone is well.<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>So, is the implication in your comment Mike that short sales can be more challenging than they are worth?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>seamass, I&#8217;m not going to mislead you. If you have no money and bad credit, it is very hard. You will have to focus almost entirely on sellers who can finance the purchase for you.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Seamass: You could look for sellers who own property free and clear. They get money out with a first mortgage and they carry back a second mortgage for you.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi dmcgrady<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Seamass, You need to know your banker. If you donot spend some time getting to know him/her.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Redsox, that has been my experience. I have found my time is better spent on other properties.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi candong<br />
<strong>candonghome </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>candonghome </strong>This is my first time to join in this. Hello everyone.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Candong, welcome. Feel free to just right in with your questions.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Redsox,short sales take the owner as well as the bank to agree on the sells price<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Seamass, it will still be hard but if it was a one time event and as time passes this will be time well spent getting to know your banker.<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>Thanks, Mike. And are you finding less competititon using the bank mortgage/seller financing route less competitive because more people are chasing the short sales?<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>Good point, Charlie. Thanks.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>My son John just bought a short sales from a bank that was about to foreclose. It was a traumatic experience. He didn&#8217;t know until the day before it closed if it would happen or not. He purchased with an FHA loan, which wasn&#8217;t hard for him to get.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>As I mentioned earlier, CHARLIE is one of my &#8220;Buyer&#8217;s Agents.&#8221; He know a lot about how I operate and I believe will tell you that what I say here is exactly what I do.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, have you ever been audited? Are a lot of houses a red flag to the IRS? Thankfully I never have but wanted to know if this is a high risk as I continue to grow my rental portfolio?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi rh<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Hello.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Charlie: how are you compensate as a Buyers Agent?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Dwayne, sorry if I&#8217;m asking questions that have already been discussed. How motivated are banks to sell foreclosed properties in their inventories? Buyers and real estate agents seem to be indicating that if a property is bank owned it&#8217;s going to be a tremendous value and the bank will be extremely flexible on price. I&#8217;m somewhat skeptical.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Mike are you working on any books right now?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Roger, almost all listings have a pay scale for the buyers agent upon the sell of the property.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I&#8217;ve been audited twice. Both times the IRS had to accept my returns as filed. The last time, the IRS auditor told me after the audit that I had the cleanest books he had ever audited.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, Very motivated. The key is finding the right person to talk to.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, yes I am. I&#8217;m almost finished with a new book with the working title of &#8220;The Financial Security Bible: How to Build Wealth and Be Happy.&#8221;<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Dwayne: I&#8217;m working on the third edition of Secrets of Power Negotiating, which will be in bookstores in October. I&#8217;m also writing a new book called HELP!!! How to solve life&#8217;s problems.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>That is great Roger.<br />
<strong>seamass </strong>Is it better to buy houses under your personal name or create a business and use that name, I have seen both. Does it really matter<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, I told Roger I would make him famous if he would make me rich! <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Charlie: so you&#8217;re paid by the seller?<br />
<strong>RudolphtheRed </strong>Dwayne could you elaborate when you say the key is finding the right person within a bank to talk to?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>seamass, I bought under my personal name for years until my estate planning attorney advised me to put the properties in LLCs as they are easier to deal with for estate planning.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Roger almost in all cases, there is a few times that the buyer will have to pay me, but not often<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Mike: I could swear it was the other way around. I would make you famous if you&#8217;re make me rich. I&#8217;ve done my part.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Roger, <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, you wouldn&#8217;t believe how many calls the banks get a day from &#8220;investors&#8221; and how much time it takes. Some can take a lot of time as you can imagine and most offers are very unrealistic so it hurts the true investor like Mike.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Roger and Mike, I&#8217;d be willing to bet it worked on both sides!!!!<br />
<strong>Trav </strong>Mike what is the key to getting multiple loans in your name<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Dwayne, in what way are they unrealistic?<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Dwayne, I would bet some of Mike&#8217;s offers are much lower than the banks want to accept!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I don&#8217;t call Dwayne, he calls me! I know how many calls he and other bankers get from people who call themselves &#8220;investors.&#8221;<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Trav, ASK!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>In my experience the price that banks offer REOs for is very realistic. There&#8217;s not much point in making a low ball offer because you&#8217;ll be beat out by another investor.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hi everyone i have been working with mike for a year now and we have looked at a hundred properties or so and have been able to purchase around 15. In my opion you have to work the numbers.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>My son paid $5000 over the asking price and got a bargain.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie, can you respond to Roger&#8217;s comment.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, when we talk with an investor we put them on the money (at discounted price). We explain what we will sale the property for then they offer 50% on the dollar.<br />
<strong>RedSox9 </strong>Dwayne and Mike&#8230;does the use of an LLC or personal acquisition impact the perception/opportunity for an investor to obtain financing? Does it give the bank the perception that you are a more serious investor?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, you never give me a price&#8230;you just say here&#8217;s what I have , what will you give me for it.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Charlie is right on when he says you&#8217;ve got to run the numbers. You could pay the bank 50% of what they asked and still have a bad investment.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, it is very dissappointing when this happens and they tell us how bad the property is. Then we wonder why they even want it. I can guarantee you the next time they call much time will not be spent with them.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Redsox, if you use an LLC you can expect the bank to require you to personally guarantee the loan. I have no problem doing this.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi krspack<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Run the numbers the way we teach you in our book or on the Offer Generator software.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Dwayne, the reason I&#8217;m skeptical is because I&#8217;ve encountered many situations where banks are holding out for the best price they can get. And because of the enticement of the bargain of bank owned properties, buyers are bidding them up.<br />
<strong>krspack1 </strong>Hey MIke<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Mike, we just lead you to the water and make a business decision because you always close the next day which is important for a bank.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Mike, roger, the banks want to get the most they can out of a property. They will list it below market most of the time but on the high side. You have to know the area had have glide lines in place<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi OK<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, the type of offers that Mike makes doesn&#8217;t seem typical of what most investors are doing and real estate brokers are teaching their agents. I&#8217;m having difficulty locating real estate agents willing to write frequent low offers. Do you have any suggestions for questions I can ask when interviewing agents that might help find one who&#8217;s is willing to work with me, rather than against me?<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike and Dwayne, how did you two start your relationship in the very beginning? How did you meet?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, banks want to sell their inventory, not play games. If you can offer them cash and a quick closing, it means a lot more than the price. Dwayne, you can comment on this.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi hawkeye<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Hi Mike, Everyone<br />
<strong>ok </strong>Hi Mike and Hi everyone<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, we are averaging 90% on the dollar which is good but at the same time we keep the foreclosed properties moving. When we get an offer our goal is to respond in 15 minutes and we will work offers up until 11pm in the evenings if the transacation is moving in the right direction.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Mike, didn&#8217;t we meet going to a NACAR race in North Wilkesboro?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, that is correct. I believe it was the last NASCAR race at the track&#8230;many years ago.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>NACAR? Do drug dealers have a racing circuit now?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, let the agents you are talking to that you are a serious investor and want to look at several propeties at a time and will make offers on most if not all of them.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I have a reasonable offer on a bank owned property right now, but the bank is taking a very long time to respond. My feeling is their dragging they&#8217;re feet in hopes of getting a better offer. I&#8217;m considering withdrawing my offer so I can move on to another property.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>All, Mike is correct. The 2nd question after what is the price I ask my Special Assets Mgr how quick can they close.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Charlie finds 8-12 properties for me to look at. I will take a full day inspecting the properties and then usually make an offer on all of them. I use the Offer Generator computer program to make the offers and Charlie can tell you whether it works or not.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, one of the problems I have is that many agents say they have experience with investors, but their experience with investors is quite different than the type of investing I&#8217;m doing. So far my agent experience has been very frustrating.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Rh, didn&#8217;t you have a time limit on the offer anyway? I would say, &#8220;Good upon presentation (to the seller).&#8221;<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>All, Banks had rather have cash but if the project/property is incomplete they will finance it for you. Keep this in mind when maiking your offer.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, the time limit is very long. Something my agent argued for.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I rarely give a bank or anyone else more than 24 hours to respond to an offer.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Dwayne, how agressive are banks in financing &#8216;incomplete&#8217; projects and how &#8216;incomplete&#8217; can they be?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, many agents confuse &#8220;investor&#8221; with &#8220;speculator&#8221;<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Hello Mike and Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi sparky<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>All, there are some good buys out there. Start with your community banks first as they will talk with you.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Sparky. Welcome<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, in my opinion most agents see investor and speculator as the same thing.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, find a good agent is like find a property that works, it is a number game. Keep interviewing<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Broadway, they realize many people do not have the cash and cannot obtain a loan on unfinished project so they will work with you if you have the means to carry the project.<br />
<strong>sparky37 </strong>Wanted to pop in and say Hi! Been tough to get in live with my schedule but i am reading the transcripts<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>thanks dwayne<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, do you feel it damages your reputation with other agents as the agent who regularly brings in low offers?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, it&#8217;s up to you to explain the difference to them.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Dwayne, what advice do you have for me in trying to sell portfolio lenders on a fixed payment, floating interest rate loan? This is VERY uncommon in Houston and I&#8217;ve spent over 1 yr trying to make this happen with no luck.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Dwayne, how do you like Mikes amortization of the loans he does? Was that something that was difficult for the bank to work with at first?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Joshua, does the loan have an interest rate floor or ceiling?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Joshua: why would you want to do this? Their are fixed rate 30 year loans available at sensationally low rates right now/<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, i know all the true foreclouser agents in my area and i have a good reputation with them. I cann call them and they call me<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Dwayne, I would be fine with a floor and ceiling.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Charlie, I missed the first part of the chat. Do you work in Asheville?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Roger, aren&#8217;t fixed payment floating rate loans what Mike uses?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>We have not had to finance one for him as he wrote a check.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Roger, I own too many to do secondary market loans with 30 yr ams. I have to do portfolio loans.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, I lucked on to Charlie purely by accident. I made an offer on one of his listings. When we met, I like him and the rest is history. Charlie, has anyone bought more properties through you than I have since we ment?<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>thanks Dwayne<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hawkeye,i work in the anderson area of south carolina<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, when you made that offer to Charlie, did you make it through another agent that you stopped using?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne wants to charge me too much interest, so I just deal with him on a cash basis.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>ROFLOL<br />
<strong>Trav </strong> <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Mike, it&#8217;s not because you&#8217;re a bad credit risk I&#8217;m sure<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I don&#8217;t remember. Do you remember Charlie?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Joshua, I am not sure why they wouldn&#8217;t want to give you a fixed payment. Most systems can adjust a payment if interest rates rise if your tied to prime or libor. They could also add a 3, 5 or 7 yr rate call and adjust at that time but most system adjust now when rates move upward.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Mike, you have become my leading buyer. I have some buyers that will buy one or two a year.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, a general question about fixed-payment/floating-rate loans: I know you try to amortize the loan at a higher interest rate, but in periods of rising interest rates with a fixed-payment the amount of principal being paid off would decrease, so what adjusts? The number of payments?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Mike, us poor bankers have to make a spread to pay for overhead.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>How is the market in Anderson, Charlie? I live in Asheville, which is getting a bit better lately, but prices are still hard to make work. I&#8217;ve had more success in TN.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, I use a fixed payment floating rate with a 5 year balloon. I usually set the payment based on a 15yr amortization at a rate .5 to 1.5% above the prevailing rate at the time. During the 5yr term the payment stays the same but the principal and interest adjusts based on the prime rate fluctuation.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, how many offers do you make for Mike every week?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi kevin<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Hawkeye775, Have you talked to Scott Nesbitt about some of our properties that may be available in Asheville?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, so that means nothing changes during the life of the loan, the payment and the length of the loan always stay the same even if the interest rates rise above 1.5%?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, I don&#8217;t mind paying for your overhead, but I don&#8217;t what you to get rich on me! <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi barbie<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, do you protest your own property tax values or hire a company?<br />
<strong>barbie </strong>hi everyone!<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Dwayne_Wiseman I haven&#8217;t and I missed the first part of the chat so I didn&#8217;t catch your information. What bank do you work for?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Mike, your class is really growing!! A lot of new people.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hawkeye, it is a number game, you have to kept looking, in my opion it does not mater were you are you have to look and make offers, and fallow the properties. I have gone back to some six months later and been able to close those at a lower price<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Blue Ridge Savings Bank<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, at the end of 5 years we adjust everything and start over for another 5 years. The actually payoff may be anywhere from 12 years to 18 years depending on what rates do.<br />
<strong>kevin </strong>Hi Mike and Dwayne. Sorry I&#8217;m late. Dwayne, are you lending on apartment buildings these days? If so, what kind of rate/terms?<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>I&#8217;ll have to inquire. I&#8217;m still new to investing and haven&#8217;t made all the contacts that I should have. BTW, do you know Gil Walden?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, i look for properties for weeks and when i get atleast 10 i think fits his critiara we spend a day and make offers on all properties<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Hawkeye755, yes we worked together at FCB and BRSB. He is back at FCB.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Charlie, are all the properies you find for Mike REOs? If not, how do you find the other sellers in distress situations? Long days on market?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Kevin, At this time our Bank is not unless we own the property (foreclosure).<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne, tell everyone about the two house I bought from you that we looked at on Tuesday and closed oN Thursday.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Charlie, do you use Offer Generator for Mike to help weed out some that he wouldn&#8217;t consider over pricing?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Dwayne, does your REO division prefer dealing with offers through real estate agents or are they comfortable having investors contact them?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi brian<br />
<strong>brian_in_pd </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, either way is fine. if an agent is not involved it can save both of us money.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, do you protest your own property tax values or hire a company?<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Dwayne_Wiseman I&#8217;ve known him for years through his inlaws. Good guy.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I do my own protest. I protested every one I bought using Charlie last years and everyone one of them were reduced.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Penny<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Josha, not all are foreclosures,time is also what i look at.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Dwayne_Wiseman I&#8217;ll have to give Scott a call. I need more information on financing. I&#8217;ve used up my four conventional loan limit.<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>pheww, what achore trying to reconnect to internet service<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>All, we showed Mike two houses we tried to sale for a period of time. He looked at them, made an offer and I made the decision on the way back to the back. Both properties were rented and I believe still rented some three or four years later.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>It&#8217;s coming up on 9:00 and we have a good crowd. Charlie &amp; Dwayne, can you stay a few minutes longer?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Hawkeye775 call me or him at 285-2209 or 285-2200.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Sure.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Dwayne_Wiseman we&#8217;ll do. thanks<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>looks like a packed chat&#8230;I missed it, but I&#8217;ll read the transcript.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Broadway, no, i have a good feel for what mike is looking for. He has bought one house sight unseen just from use working together.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Penny, we&#8217;ve been working Dwayne &amp; Charlie over tonight.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>thanks Charlie<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Hawkeye, he is.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Dwayne, sometimes Mike&#8217;s offers are 50% of asking price. What would you consider an unrealistic offer from an investor?<br />
<strong>kevin </strong>CHARLIE Do you use public records at all in locating potential deals?<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>MIKE, YES<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, my offers aren&#8217;t alway&#8217;s 50% of asking price, only when the asking price is 200% of what it realistically should be.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, how do you come up with your maintenance reserve % in your NOI calculation? I know in your books you use 5%, but am wondering if you adjust this on a formula based on age or condition, neighborhood etc?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>I need to leave now. Dwayne and Charlie, thanks for sharing your expertise.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, it depends on how much time we spend up front with them and if we put them on the money. If they come in that low we are dissappointed. If we get an offer that low through a RE agent we just counter it quickly.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m just using it as an example. <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Kevin, i use the mls service and the agent in town call me if they have a good deal.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, also does your maintenance % also take care of your &#8220;make-ready&#8221; in between tenants or does that come from somewhere else?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, yes, the mait=ntenance percentage I use includes everything.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m catching a lot of flack from my agent for making low offers. He basically won&#8217;t submit him. I have a contract with him for another four months.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>rh, get another agent!!! Ask Charlie about that.<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Mike, I will definitely replace him when I can. It&#8217;s making for a long summer.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, all agents are suppose to summit all offers that are sent to him. This is a law in south carolina<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>rh, I think that&#8217;s the law anywhere, it is in Missouri<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, I wonder how only 5% is enough for all of that unless you completely remodel a house to new when you acquire it?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, he will submit them when I force them to. He&#8217;s mastered the art of evasiveness. It takes so much arm twisting I having to start yelling before it happens.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, you can ask him to release you from a buyers agent at any time here<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, where did you get 5<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>5<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>5%?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>Charlie, I will look into that. The contracts are pretty binding.<br />
<strong>kevin </strong>Mike_Summey Who do you like for property management in the Asheville area?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I vary the percentage based on the age and condition of the property.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>That&#8217;s what you use as an example in your books. What do you use then and how do you estimate? I use 10% but sometimes wonder if that&#8217;s enough.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, turn him in to the board of realters in your area.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>kevin, i just started using Bayshore, please so far<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Kevin, I am currently using Alpha Real Estate and Bayshore Company<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>only one property<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Welcome back Penny. You must be having problems.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne got startred well ahead of the curve with disposal of his bank&#8217;s foreclosures and as a result has gotten more for them that many of the banks will be able to get today.<br />
<strong>a Penny </strong>double yep,<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, the older the property the higher the % needs to be. The more deferred maintenance a property has the higer the percentage needs to be.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Thx Mike, what would you say is a low to high range you use on your properties? 5-15%?<br />
<strong>rh </strong>I should get going. Thank you Dwayne and Charlie for some very helpful information.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>We have several people who have been very quiet tonight. Do any of you sleepers have a question before we wrap up the chat?<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>rh, you are welcome.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Thanks a lot Charlie and Dwayne<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua I&#8217;ve use as low as 5% and as high as 30%<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Rh, your welcome<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>hawkeye, you are welcome. Scott and I look forward to meeting with you soon.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hawkeye your welcome<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>yes, thank you charlie and Dwayne. Very good chatting with you both tonight. it&#8217;s always great to chat with Mike too<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>My son Jason just logged in. He forgot us tonight. Eveyone say hello to Jason.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>As always, Mike, thanks for an informative chat. Goodnight all.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Hi Jason<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Broadway your welcome<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Broadway, you are welcome.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Hey Jason! Missed a good chat tonight<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Dwayne and Charlie, thank you for your time. Mike, as always thanks for the great info.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>I think Jason is having problems too.<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>Joshua, you are welcome.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Hello jason<br />
<strong>jason </strong>hey charlie, sorry I&#8217;m late had some homework and had problems getting logged in tonight<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Josha your welcome<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Thanks again Mike and everyone have a terrific rest of the week! I&#8217;ve got to find some more properties!!!!!!!! Good night to all!!!!<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Jason how is school and the baby<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, we had a scare last night. One of my son Matt&#8217;s friends went down in an Apache helicopter and for about 3 hours we didn&#8217;t know if it might have been Matt. Thankfully, he is safe.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Dwayne &amp; Charlie, thanks for joining us tonight. You&#8217;ve added a lot to this evenings chat.<br />
<strong>jason </strong>keeping me very VERY busy lol<br />
<strong>Dwayne_Wiseman </strong>You are welcome everyone. Have a good night. Thanks for the invite.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>It looks like most everyone is logging out, so we&#8217;ll call it a wrap for tonight.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Jason missed seeing you the past couple trips<br />
<strong>Ty </strong>very informative! thanks everone!<br />
<strong>Ty </strong>goodnight.<br />
<strong>jason </strong>I missed being there for sure&#8230;not much longer though&#8230;nursing school is more than I though it would be LOL<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight all! See you here next month. Be sure to read the transcript from tonight tomorrow on the website.<br />
<strong>CHARLIE </strong>Mike good night talk to you tomorrow<br />
<strong>a.nawesh </strong>Kevin, it looks like we are too late</span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike_Summey Hey Mark. Looks like we&#8217;re early. Mark Sorry Mike, I&#8217;m trying to finish up a phone call. How are you! Mike_Summey Doing Great here! And you? Mike_Summey Hi Nancy Mark Fantastic. Mike_Summey Which Mark is this? nancy Hi Mike! thanks for hosting. Hi Mark Mike_Summey We&#8217;re a little early. Any questions before we get [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hey Mark. Looks like we&#8217;re early.<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Sorry Mike, I&#8217;m trying to finish up a phone call. How are you!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Doing Great here! And you?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Nancy<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Fantastic.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Which Mark is this?<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>Hi Mike! thanks for hosting. Hi Mark<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>We&#8217;re a little early. Any questions before we get busy.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Trav<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Hey, can you recommend a company for Background and Credit checking?<br />
<strong><span id="more-685"></span>Trav </strong>Hey Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Sorry Mark, my property managers handle all of that.<br />
<strong>Trav </strong>Can you recommend any property managers for the asheville area<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Trav, I use Alpha Real Estate &amp; Bayshore Company<br />
<strong>Trav </strong>Thanks<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Trav, I recommend that you interview several and pick one that best suits your needs and expectations.<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Mike, you never sell a property, but do you ever do a Lease-Purchase with the intent that the &#8220;buyer&#8221; will never actually buy?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>The same property manager will work great for some people and be a problem for others.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Joahua<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Mark, no I&#8217;ve never done one of those. When I buy, I buy with the intention of keeping.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, 88 offers since my last acceptance! ahhhh<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>speaking of prperty managers&#8230;I know the books say hire a manager. And I have a very light work load with overlap into property management (I own/operate a mini storage.) For a while I&#8217;d like to manage myself. I think I&#8217;d learn a lot and save money&#8211;and I have the time. Is this still a &#8220;bad idea&#8221; ?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I think I&#8217;ve made over 50 since the last acceptance. All that means is that I&#8217;ll probably get half of the next 50. It&#8217;s just a numbers game.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Let&#8217;s hope. Most of my offers are 25-30% under asking price<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>and sorry about the talking over someone&#8217;s question. I&#8217;ve never been in a chat room before and don&#8217;t know the protocol&#8230; hard to time when to press send!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, do what fits for you, but I&#8217;ve never seen a time when the same amount of time was spent managing or inspecting and making offers that the managing time was best used. It&#8217;s your choice, do you want to be an investor or have a second job that doesn&#8217;t pay very well and is filled with headaches.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jlee<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>got it. thanks<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Mike, okay, it was suggested that I go the Lease-Purchase route to have tenants who are less likely to tear up the property because they &#8220;think&#8221; that they will be buying it&#8230;until &#8220;life&#8221; changes their mind and you simply find the next tenant/buyer.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>nancy, don&#8217;t worry about talking over someone else. You will find several threads of conversation going on at the same time. That&#8217;s why we try to put your name in front of the response if it is for you.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi broadway<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mr Dawson, welcome<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Hello Mike and Roger too<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>ok great!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi everyone. Sorry that I[&#8216;m late. I had trouble logging in<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike&#8230;<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Mark, as I said earlier, I&#8217;ve never done a lease-purchase agreement. When I buy, I keep.<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>Hi! great of you to host also!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, the $6500 tax credit for exisiting homeowners doesn&#8217;t apply to any new rentals we&#8217;ve purchased does it? I think it has to be a secondary or new primary.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Yesterday was Roger&#8217;s birthday, so everyone needs to wish him a happy birthday!<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Happy Birthday!!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, that is my understanding also.<br />
<strong>Trav </strong>Happy Birthday Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi David<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike, I&#8217;m interested in forming a corporation. Do you advise setting this up with cash prior to purchasing the first property or buying a property personally and then transferring it. In the past I&#8217;ve purchased property for personal use and then moved and leased it. I know that the terms and usually higher for investments than for personal use.<br />
<strong>David </strong>Hello Mike<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Happy Birthday Roger!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Thank you. It feels weird to be 70. I never wanted to be 70 until I turned 69.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi lewis<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>hi mike<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>hot day here in asheville wasnt it<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Roger, I wouldn&#8217;t have thought you to be a day over 50&#8230;.well, maybe 55<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>other thing i&#8217;m wondering about..I&#8217;ve just started looking. my garden is the neighborhood I&#8217;ve lived in for 11 years. I have not reached the 100 threshhold number yet&#8230;i&#8217;m about 10 now actually! but I have two properties i&#8217;d like to put offers on, using the formula you&#8217;ve laid out, and the software. is that not wise? and happy birthday!!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, what do you show as credit documentation when you do a seller financing deal? personal financial statement, credit report, proof of income, etc?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, I&#8217;d talk with a financial advisor or attorney before setting up a corporation to hold real estate. There are some limitations you may not like. Personally, I think an LLC is a better entity in which to hold properties.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>how will the new rules on owner financing affect us, mike<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Penny<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>broadway, that&#8217;s because he is still using his high school photo.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Mike, great one!!!!! YOU said that though NOT me!!!!!! <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I give the sellers any of these documents they want.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Penny<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>Hi Roger and Mike.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>O.K. Thanks.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, the Offer Generator software is the best tool an investor can own. I use it every week because I know that if I can get an offer accepted that has been generated by the program that it will make money.<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>i&#8217;m confused as to how an LLC can hold property&#8211; and I have one that owns my mini storage! but when i went to talk to a loan officer they said they only give loans to individuals, not companies.. so LLC property had to bought outright I assumed. what am I missing?<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>thanks, thats good news. I&#8217;ll follow its offers with confidence.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike. I&#8217;m feeling a little overwhelmed with all the property on the market right now and wondering if it would be good to begin with the help of a realtor.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, all the bank is telling you is that if the property is titled in the name of an LLC, you will probably have to personally guarantee the loan. I do that on nearly every purchase I make.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, I recommend that you find a buyer&#8217;s agent and work with him or her. Let them do the bird dogging and bring you groups of properties to inspect and make offer on.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi hawkeye<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Hi Everyone<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>so is it prudent then to have an LLC own the rentals instead? seems like a better idea for liability but I don&#8217;t know about the tax side<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jpd<br />
<strong>David </strong>Mike have you, or anyone you know , ever try to buy a house to rent ,throught a Roth IRA , does it work and is it a good idea ?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>hi<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, how many properties did you get up to owning in your own name before you started forming LLCs and transfering groups of them into the LLC name?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>is this the once a month chat<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>my wife and i bought a rental with a roth<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Mike, good to hear that you personally guarantee your loans. I am faced with that at a closing tomorrow and was a little uncomfortable. I was thinking, why did I bother setting up an LLC?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>JPD: Yes it is.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>thank u<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>We chat on the first Monday of each month.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, if the LLC is a singel member LLC, that means you own it all, the entity is ignored when you file your taxes and the properties are reported on Schedule E on you return.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Mike, do you now find most of your properties to purchase the same way as you did when you started investing?? The reason I ask is I&#8217;ve gotten my real estate license so I can gain an &#8216;inside track&#8217; on homes on the market and access to MLS for comps too<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>but it isn&#8217;t ignored if you arent grossly negligent right? its still harder to get at in the event of a law suit?<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Lewis, did you go through an attorney or CPA? I&#8217;ve talked to a couple and they act like I&#8217;m a two-headed monster when I ask how to do it.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I owned several hundred in my name personally before setting up LLCs to hold them. I then transferred then from my name to the LLCs as part of my estate planning.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>HI OK<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jeeppic<br />
<strong>ok </strong>Hi Mike<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>broadway, I use buyer&#8217;s agents to look for me. I had a brokers license, but I found it to be more of a hinderance than a help because of all the disclosure issues that aren&#8217;t there if you don&#8217;t have a license.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike &#8211; Considering the large # of properties on the market at this time how much cash would you recommend having to begin purchasing?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Broadway: there are two thoughts about whether to have a real estate license or not. I think it&#8217;s an advantage because you get inside information. However, you are more likely to get sued because your buyers and sellers expect you act in their best interests, not yours.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, that makes me feel better because everytime I talk to a portfolio lending bank they think it&#8217;s strange I have this rental business on the side but they&#8217;re owned in my own name<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>there are a couple of companies that deal with self directed iras. we used one of them. the first time was tedious and the learning curve was steep but it really isnt too difficult. i can share the company names if you want.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Thanks Mike.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>David, sorry I missed your question earlier. No I&#8217;ve never bought using an IRA. I don&#8217;t know enough to comment any more than that.<br />
<strong>jeeppic </strong>How do you set up your llc for real setate while going through but not finished a divorce? I trust my ex would grab at any future income.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Thanks Roger. You are correct there is a risk but I do not want to represent a buyer and &#8216;undermine&#8217; them if they are wanting to purchase. I intend to use the license for good purposes.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, my recommendation is that you always keep enough cash to have a reserve fund. Don&#8217;t ever get fully invested.<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Lewis, thanks. I&#8217;d like the names. I don&#8217;t suppose they would mind getting free advertising if you post it right here! Were they expensive? Yearly Fees?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>does anyone know how to put offers on numerous properties; write contracts/or offers on numerous properties without having earnest money inplace . the earnest money kicks in after the acceptance of the submitted offer or something like that; plus verbage used<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>thank u<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike .. So, are we talking 20% down plus another 10% for reserves?<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Roger, for me, if there was ANY question or doubt I did not represent something correctly, I&#8217;d back out of the deal. Mike is right, there are lots of disclosures.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>if it is ok with mike i will tell the names of the self directed ira companies.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, you may want to set up an LLC and transfer the properties into it, but you can expect the banks to still want your personal guarantee, which is the same thing you do when you buy in your own name.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Jpd: It&#8217;s common to write in the offer that the deposit check will be held uncashed until the offer is accepted.<br />
<strong>ok </strong>Mike, How do you use creative financing to lower mortgage expenses&#8230;..( iam a newbbie in property investment )<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jpd, I always show an amount of earnest money that will be deposited with the escrow agent immediately upon acceptance of the offer.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Lewis: go ahead<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Roger, so are you in the same camp as Mike and never sold a rental property?<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>what does it mean to &#8216;transfer properties&#8221;? doesn&#8217;t the llc have to buy the property from you, even if it&#8217;s yours?<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Mike, I got Offer Generator a couple of weeks ago and you are right about how easy it is to use. It&#8217;s a great tool and takes the guesswork out of pricing a deal. Just wanted to let others know that do not have it here, it&#8217;s worth every penny. Very slick software!!!!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, do you have enough cash to make one purchase for cash?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>i watched a webinar which stated that llc had written 13 offers which 7 were potentially good doable contracts the others were not<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>No I don&#8217;t.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>enquity trust in elyria, oh is who i use. entrust is another firm but i felt its fees were too steep in comparison.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>ok, creative financing is usually only available from a seller, not a bank. There&#8217;s no magic to it, jsut ask for what you want. The worst a seller can do is say NO, but they might just say yes.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Joshua: I admire Mike&#8217;s approach but it was not mine. If I saw a chance to extract the equity by selling and leveraging into more property I would do it. Mike&#8217;s way is much safer.<br />
<strong>Mark </strong>Lewis, thanks for the info. I&#8217;ll take a look.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, arent there new laws about owner financing now<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Thanks for the endorsement Broadway. I try to tell everyone that it is the best tool an investor can own, but too many think I&#8217;m just trying to sell them.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike, I know that a buyers agent represents the buyer but how is that different than a realtor or real estate agent that is representing you as a buyer?<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>i like the offer generator but i have a little difficulty using it.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Well, I wouldn&#8217;t say anything if I didn&#8217;t mean it. In some way, I could work the numbers on my own spreadsheet but, you have taken all the guesswork out of it and working it in with offer letters makes it even better. I&#8217;m trying to find my first deal using it now.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jdp, I write offers every week in the name of my LLCs. All are doable on my part, but many of the offend the sellers. I don&#8217;t like to offend people, but I&#8217;m also not interest in buying something that doesn&#8217;t work for me.<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>what does it mean to &#8216;transfer properties&#8221;? doesn&#8217;t the llc have to buy the property from you, even if it&#8217;s yours?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>Phill and theresa r realtors/jpd enterprises<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi jneun<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, i understand how leverage works but if you can afford to buy a property outright doesnt that give a better cashflow without being concerned about having to pay a mortgage if it isnt rented?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>lewis, I&#8217;m not sure any news laws are actually in place yet.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jlee, a buyer&#8217;s agent represents you. All the other agents represent the sellers.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>they are effective in july in nc, i think.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, would you mind sharing how many total SFH do you have now? And how many are pre-1978?<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Jlee: an agent has a fuduciary relationship to the person who is paying them, which is typically the seller. A buyers agent only works in your best interest, not the sellers, because you have a written contract that makes this clear to all parties.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, if you own the LLC and you own the property, it&#8217;s a simple matter of recording a deed from you to the LLC.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi PaulPotter<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>good to know, ty.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, I only have a few pre 1978 homes. I have several hundred total.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Thanks Mike and Roger. So, do you have a contract with the buyers agent to pay them or do they split the fee with the listing agent?<br />
<strong>PaulPotter </strong>Hello, met you at 2009 National Speakers Association. My dad Carl Potter introduced us.. just checking out your chat room<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>offers written r contingent upon sellers mortgage acceptance short sale; therefore can write many instead of just one; then when the offer is accepted the earnest money kicks in<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Paul: good to have you with us.<br />
<strong>PaulPotter </strong>Thanks Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Paul, glad to have you. Say hello to your dad for me.<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>what are the primary reasons you prefer an LLC to hold the properties instead of you? Is there a number you like for each and then create a new bundle? when should a person switch to that style instead of just in their name?<br />
<strong>PaulPotter </strong>Will do Mike<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>actually in oklahoma the realtor remains neutral in a transaction broker disclosure; but in a single party broker disclosure they are soley representing the listing sellers prop<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jpd, I write many offers at once and put a clause in all of them stating that the buyer is interested in buying one property and has submitted multiple offers simultaneously. That once an accepted offer has been received, the buyer has no obligation to purchase additional properties. That gives me the option to buy only the one or as many as are accepted.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, are you finding good deals in wnc or do you feel the best deals are in sc?<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>In missouri, we have dual agency and can represent both sides.<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>Mike, are you recommending LLCs now? Thought that it was estate purposes only that you switched to LLCs.<br />
<strong>David </strong>Mike and Roger I have 3 houses I rent, they are in my name as owner , do you both recomend I should form a LLC to hold them in and buy more homes to rent ?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, I use LLCs for estate planning purposes, not all of the other reasons that are bantered around. It&#8217;s easier to gift an interest in an LLC that partial ownership in a property. Ther are other liability protections also, that that&#8217;s not my primary reason for using them.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Lewis, this is just my opinion! I think WNC is still 1-2 years away from a bottom, which is when the good deals will hit. Right now I&#8217;m focusing more on SC &amp; AL.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>i agree mike. i have found many great deals in sc.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>broadway, we had dual agency relationships here too, but they don&#8217;t work as well for you as a buyer&#8217;s agent. In a dual agency, the agent really represents no one.<br />
<strong>PaulPotter </strong>Mike, i have been in my first house for two years now and plan to keep it forever as a rental. Do you recommend i pay my first house off before I start financing two (eventually 3-25) more homes for rental income?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>hawkeye, see my answer to Nancy<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>David, however you own the properties, just be sure to protect yourself with adequate liability insurance.<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, so I can be sure and understand when it&#8217;s time for me to do estate planning, you&#8217;ve lumped several hundred SFH into just to a few LLCs? I have 9 SFH and 1 4-plex now<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>Mike, that&#8217;s correct, a dual agency really rides the fence. I like representing one side or the other personally. Having a buyer&#8217;s agent is very good for the buyers in any real estate transaction.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Paul, if you are going to hold your present home as a rental, I see nothing wrong with letting your tenants buy it for you.<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>you think it is worth having an agent even if you&#8217;ve found the property and used the software to generate an offer?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, the number of LLCs should be based on what you are trying to accomplish, not how many properties are in them.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>we r in our first deal; the hard money lender insists the contract be written in an llc; the mortgage bank of the sellers are in a short sale; which they insist the contract be written in an individuals name.; a catch 22; anyone have a solution<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Penny, I thought you had abandoned us.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi shane<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Nancy: I don&#8217;t see any reason for you to have an agent if you can make a deal directly with the seller.<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>nope, not sure what happened, but I&#8217;m back now.<br />
<strong>shane </strong>Hi mike im super late<br />
<strong>shane </strong>ill catch you guys next month<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>jpd, why would the sellers mortgage bank care if they get what they&#8217;ve agreed to in a short sale?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, I use a buyers abent on almost every transaction, primarily so I can have someone to get all the little things done before closing&#8230;surveys, termite inspections, etc.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>if you use an agent you must be sure they understand what you are trying to do. there are to many agents who just dont understand investing<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Shane, we&#8217;ll be here another few minutes&#8230;then off to watch the basketball game.<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>lewis, you are very correct<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>i know; makes no sense<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>I&#8217;d ask them why<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike When you use a buyers agent do you have criteria that you use in selecting them or just someone from the phone book that you seem to click with?<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Lewis, good point. I should have said earlier that you whould interview several agents before settling on a buyer&#8217;s agent and for the very reason you state. Most agents have no idea how to work with an investor.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Hi Jason<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, thanks. Going back to all these offers we&#8217;ve been making (80 plus for me), most of mine are on REO. I would estimate 90%+ of them require a full contract and will not accept an LOI memo. Do you face the same thing? I don&#8217;t see anyway around it.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>the property is a short sale; the mortgage holder for the sellers or owners who make the discision as to proceed into the deal which we r 6 months into has come up with this catch 22<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Hey sorry I&#8217;m running late&#8230;had some issues signing in tonight<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>what kind of points should an investor be looking for in an agent? I&#8217;m new, so i have no idea how to work with them either!<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Be cautious about trying to buy short sale properties. They are very hard to close. If the current mortgage holder has already agreed to a price, okay, but if they haven&#8217;t you can waste a lot of time getting all the parties to agree.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Hi Jason!<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Hey Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jpd, what the seller bank really wants is your personal guarantee. With that who cares how the property is titled.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>what is loi please<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>I&#8217;m going to the Masters in Augusta tomorrow. If you&#8217;re watching on TV, I&#8217;ll be the one following Tiger Woods.<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>funny Roger<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Everyone, I think that is my son Jason who just signed in. He and his brother bought 16 houses last year in their LLC and are looking for more this year.<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Say hi to Tiger for me Roger <img src='http://www.weekendmillionaire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<strong>lewis </strong>what was their best deal mike<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>is that q too basic to answer? hi jason!<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Hello<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>hi jason<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Hola<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>we r trying to finish our first deal and came into a snag<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>also, if you can buy a property outright, doesnt that improve your cash flow without worrying about vacancies and mortgage payments.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>LOI stands for Letter of Intent. That&#8217;s basically what our Offer Generator software creates.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>ahhh<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>and everyone meeds the Offer Generator&#8230;great asset!!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Nancy, when interviewing an agent, make a list of the things you would like for an agent to do and then go over this list with the ones you interview. Keep in mind that you will be asking them to do things that go against their best representation of a seller. You want them to get as much information as possible while sellers want them to divulge as little information as possible.<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>i have also learned that ever if you get owner financing with 0% interest the irs will impute interest on the seller. is that true?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>we do have the offer generator and have used it on a deal; which did not get finished, but we do accpreciate the generator<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>ok, ty<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>My brother and I use it on every offer we make<br />
<strong>hawkeye775 </strong>goodnight all<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Lewis, that is true, but the last time I researched it, the tax on the imputed interest and the tax on capital gains were the same until unless the seller had more than $94,250 in taxable income, so who cares.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Goodnight Hawkeye<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, thanks. Going back to all these offers we&#8217;ve been making (80 plus for me), most of mine are on REO. I would estimate 90%+ of them require a full contract and will not accept an LOI memo. Do you face the same thing? I don&#8217;t see anyway around it.<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike.. Does your buyers agent split the commission with the listing agent?<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>email me and i will asist you in criteria for locating a buyers realtor, as we r realtors ourselves check us out on twitter buyandsellokc<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>jpd, we have used the Offer Generator to make as many as 20 offers in a single day.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>go to our website though do not use twitter to contact us; fill out the contact us form<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>I&#8217;d better run. Thanks for the chat tonight Mike. Happy Birthday Roger!!!! Hope everyone has a great night tonight<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>contact us form on our website to reach us<br />
<strong>broadway </strong>enjoy the championship too<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Joshua, when dealing with bank owned properties, they will want a full contract. Just use the OG to calculate the offer and then put it in contract form. I have the Realtor contracts for all of the states in which I operate and I fill out the contracts myself and then send them to my agent to look over and present.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>we r just startin<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight Broadway.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>and moving very slow<br />
<strong>PaulPotterur </strong>Thanks for the advice Mike! I am listening to yours and Roger&#8217;s CD program for the second time now.. Love it! I look forward to using these techniques! I saw your airplane in the picture you sent to my dad.. Cool! See you next month.. Have a great one guys!<br />
<strong>Joshua </strong>Mike, Roger thanks for everything, you guys are an inspiration. Appreciate you holding these regular chats.<br />
<strong>Roger Dawson </strong>Good night everyone! Talk to you next month.<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Goodnight Roger&#8230;have fun tomorrow<br />
<strong>nancy </strong>thanks so much!! good one, very helpful<br />
<strong>lewis </strong>mike, that was a great thing you did for that girl hurt in mexico.<br />
<strong>Penny </strong>goodnight everyone<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight Paul. Thanks for the comments &amp; again, say hi to your dad for me.<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>thank u 4 ur help<br />
<strong>jpdenterprisesllc </strong>goodnite<br />
<strong>jlee </strong>Mike &amp; Roger. I appreciate all the great info. Thank you!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Well, everyone! It&#8217;s game time! See you here next month.<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>GO DUKE!!!<br />
<strong>Jason </strong>Go Duke!!!<br />
<strong>Mike_Summey </strong>Goodnight<br />
<strong>Sundeep </strong>Hi</span></p>
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